Assassination, Medical Cover-Ups & The Power of Grief: What 2025 Is Really Teaching Us

What happens when grief shakes the nation—and your own living room?

Dive into an unfiltered, emotional episode of The Partovi Effect Podcast, where hosts Mrs. Madi Partovi and Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI, move beyond the headlines to share raw reflections and courageous conversations sparked by the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the seismic fallout in American culture.

In this must-listen episode:

• Journey through the aftermath of political violence, personal loss, and national shock.
• Mrs. Madi Partovi opens up about the deep, transformative power of grief, friendship, and faith when facing sudden tragedy.
• Dr. Ryan Partovi tackles medical controversy head-on: CDC shakeups, vaccine debates, and RFK Jr.’s radical health policies.
• Explore how loss inspires change in relationships, self-care, and the way we show up for loved ones every single day.
• The hosts hold nothing back in discussing the need for open dialogue, critical thinking, and radical compassion amid turmoil—offering hope, perspective, and practical wisdom.

🕊️ Experience a space for healing, critical inquiry, and actionable inspiration.
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Transcript

Introduction and Recent Events

 📍 Welcome to this episode of the Partovi Effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

What's happened since we sat less than this chair?  Um, 

this chair, well, last time we recorded was before our trip to New York. 

Yeah. So since then, uh, Florida has eliminated, um, all vaccine mandates. Yeah. Um, Europe has, uh, outlawed a, a chemical in, um, gel nail polish.

J nail polish, honey. Mm. Yeah. You want some J nail polish? It, it seep into your bloodstream. Yeah, but it's okay. You're gonna look so pretty, honey. 

Okay.

I guess, I guess, I guess it's all right if you do that.

I want some Botox honey. Some bot, uh, some poison into your face, but you're gonna look, so smash your face gonna look so good. I hope we have a medical director for that. Um, oh. Women just have it hard, you know, just being constantly, constantly barrage with, uh, the looking good. Like, you must look good. You must do this in order to look good and not to age at all.

Yeah, they've had it really hard.

Yep. This week, this last week was also, um, while we were traveling, you know, RFK Junior was up on the hill getting grilled, um, by some of my former heroes. I say former, because the B based on the way they're treating 

him, 

I, uh, I'm just, I can do nothing more than shake my head at, uh, in disappointment. Um, and 

Trump is questioning the, um, I, I mean, operation warp speed, you know, whether it was brilliant or not.

Yep. Um, and he is bearing down on the CDC, um, to provide us the evidence, you know, the, the real science well, what happened. Mm-hmm. So there's, there's a lot happening on the ground in public health. 

Yeah. 

Um, that's just so extraordinary. 

Yeah. And, um, you know, I think that really. 

Reflections on Charlie Kirk's Assassination

All that being said, the thing that's front of mind for me right now is that Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday, yesterday afternoon actually, and I'm still processing that one because, you know, um, I really didn't agree with him a lot.

I would say we had a few areas of convergence, but I would say we probably disagree more than we agreed. That's really not what it's about for me. For me, it's about the fact that he was so committed to traveling all over the country, engaging with so many young people on every college campus he could get onto.

Was willing to take any question, was willing to debate anyone, uh, and to have a conversation with anyone. And that, to me is, is symbolic or, or emblematic of the kind of open discourse that we believe in on this channel. And that I think we as Americans really have to hold near and dear to our hearts.

And so in that sense, I think that Charlie was really a light, um, uh, for open dialogue, free speech. Um, you know, a lot of that free speech was sometimes divisive in the sense that. I think well see. See, I, I wouldn't even call it that. I would say that it was, it was people, it was maybe triggering for some people, you know, like people, uh, there were, sometimes he would say things that were controversial.

I think sometimes he said things that were controversial just to get a rise out of people and to get 'em thinking, which, I mean, I get that we do that sometimes. I think we all do that as human beings. Um, and I think that, you know, a lot of those things that he said I, that I wouldn't say, or that I wouldn't say the way he said them at least, and, you know, or I bring more nuance to the conversation, or frankly, we just disagree completely.

But that's not really the point. The point is, is that this is someone who loved our country, who believed in the common American values that we all share. Um, you know, who was basically gunned down. We don't really know for sure what the motivations were, but presumably, uh, so far where we are right now, as of now, um, that seems to be, was a, you know, college age young man that that was the shooter sniper.

Um, and that's really all we know about him, but we could presume that, you know, that it was a politically motivated, uh, killing just because he's a political figure. And I think that to me, political violence is never okay. Um, you know, it's a core tenant of my belief, a core tenant of my faith as well as a core tenant of just what I believe about politics.

And I think that, um, you know, I can't help but think about, which I know is what you were just, uh, letting me know right before we started recording. Um, that you're thinking about, which is the fact that he has, you know, he was just 31 years old and he has a young wife and two young children. And, um, you know, and I think the other, the only other thing I would say is just how impressive of a figure that he was in the 13 years from the time that he turned 18 to the t to yesterday, he was merely 13 years, he was able to establish Turning Point USA, which became grew to become the number one conservative, uh, student group, young person's group in the country.

You know, he spoke with thousands upon thousands of people, affected millions of lives. Um, it's just, uh. I try to think of someone whose death would have the same impact on the left in this country. Just to kind of give it some perspective to people who are coming from that perspective who may not even know who Charlie Kirk was.

It would literally be like a OC getting assassinated. You know, like it's, it's like, I would say maybe after like Trump and Vance, Charlie Kirk is like maybe tied for third with like a handful of other people. Um, and so given that it's like this is a really big deal and I, you know, one of the things that came up for me was just a concern about what the backlash will, will potentially be, um, you know, on the, the conservative side, the republican side.

And I actually was, I got present to something right before we started recording. I'm gonna say this and then I'm gonna hear what you have to say. Um. I got present to the fact that I was really grateful that if this had to happen, that it happened under a Trump presidency. Because if it, if, if Kamala Harris had been elected, I truly believe that this assassination would've been the provoking agent for a civil war.

I mean, I think we would've had Civil War starting today if we did not have a Republican in charge at the White House. I know that's a, maybe a dramatic statement to make, but I think if you really think it through, you'll, you'll see what I mean. Um,

yeah. So in the meantime, I think we just have an opportunity, you know, which is it, it gets back to the point you love to make, which is that everything happens for our highest good. Um, you know, I'm sure that, uh, Charlie's wife and children are not feeling that right now, but, um, yeah. Um, anyway.

Anything you wanted to say about that?

That Charlie's wife and children are left without like a force of a father, like he was so involved in the life of his children, you know, and a, a great husband, you know, from, from all the, from everything that I know

and I am, I am emotional because I know like how much of a force you are in our family, you know, the support that you are for our family and for our boys.

And the generator, you know, the leader of our family, like the, the voice, you know, and that, that loss is tremendous for that little boy and that little girl. 

Yeah. Well, and I think the loss of his voice is tremendous for all of us. 

Yeah. 

You know, I think that to me, I love having conversations with people that I disagree with.

I'm, I'm always happy to debate, uh, pretty much anybody on anything at any time. Um, if it's an area that I feel like I have some base level of competence on, and if I don't, maybe I learned something for it, I changed my position, that's fine. Right. I share that with Bobby Kennedy. But, you know, I think that, um.

I really just admire and respect the fact that he was not only willing, but able to competently go around the country and have so many conversations with so many people. Um, yeah. So that's, you know, that voice Yeah. Is valuable and I think it's a valuable, regardless of, you know, what side of the aisle it comes from.

You know, I was listening to Jake Yer on the Young Turks last night, and his reaction I thought was right on point. I mean, he said that on one hand, I mean, he, he flat out started by saying, we are not gonna make this political at all because, you know, violence is really not political. We are against it no matter what.

Which I think is very logically consistent. And I agree with, um, I mean, I think there's some justification for maybe using it in self-defense, but that's. Maybe a separate conversation, but I think, um, this kind of violence is always wrong. And I think he made a strong statement with regard to that, and I thought that was very, you know, he's another figure where, you know, to me, if like, if, if Jake had gotten assassinated, right?

Like that's, that's really what we're, I mean, I know that you said you really didn't know much about Charlie Kirk prior to, uh, prior to his assassination, but I mean, to me it's literally would be like Jake Hugger or a OC, you know, one of those characters getting people, I should say not characters, but people getting assassinated.

It would be a big deal. Big, big deal. It, it's almost like, and in, in a way, I would say that it's kind of like both of them combined in the sense that like, you know, a OC has the, the, the youthful energy and kind of that. Speaking to the younger people, gen Z kind of voice. And he was very much that. Um, but for Gen Z men predominantly.

And, um, and then in terms of just being a force in the media, like there's really not anybody in progressive media who's more of a force than Jan er. And so, so I think of that. But I mean, of course Jank is more of like a millennial kind of Gen Xer. I think he's more of a gen Xer actually. Um, so there's not, there's not anybody really other than a OC who's kind of younger who I think speaks to young people in, in that way, like Charlie Kirk did on the left.

So it's, it's hard to really explain it to people, I guess, like what the impact is for a lot of people. And you know, for me, as somebody who listens to media on both sides, I always have, you know, when I was a teenager, I used to listen to. I I, and this was always my, my policy growing up is I would listen to conservative media like Rush Limbaugh during the Clinton administration.

'cause I always want to hear the critiques. And then, you know, during the conservative administrations like Bush and whatnot, I would listen to more NPR and um, more left-leaning sources. 'cause I would want to get their critiques. You know, I always want to kind of get both sides, not just whatever the administration is saying, but what the opposition is saying.

And I think that that's, I mean, that's one way, one reasonable way to consume media. I'm sure there's other reasonable ways to do it, but I don't think that, uh, and I've certainly moved away from corporate media and more toward independent media now, which I think is a good thing. But I still listen to like, both right and left-leaning independent media sources to get a good source.

And, and I like ones where that has one person on each one, kind of like the hills rising and breaking points and, um. You know, shows like that where you get kind of both sides, uh, from more of a populist, independent perspective. And, um, you know, I think News Nation amongst the corporate media probably does the best job at kind of giving some, both sides or at least down the line coverage.

But most media sources these days are very biased. I, I find especially corporate, I mean all, all corporate media is inherently establishment biased. Um, but um, yeah, that's because the establishment pays their bills, which makes sense. But, um, you know, all that being said, I think Charlie Kirk was kind of a, it's kind of a distinct figure really, and kind of an outlier in the sense of, um, you know, he's someone who was able to kind of capture the imagination of a generation for a particular worldview.

And I think that that's, you know. At the very least, you have to say is impressive. You know, he's a very impressive young man. And, um, again, you know, whether you agree with anything he has to say. So that's really not what it was about for me. You know, just really honoring him I think is, uh, and his contribution to the conversation 

yes.

Is really what I want to do. Um, anything else you wanna say about Charlie or anything else tangential to that or 

tangential maybe? Mm-hmm. Um, you know, so he, he was a, a loss of a, you know, father or

with, you know, kids and a wife. 

Personal Impact and Inspirations

And, um, there was something that happened over the summer. That really had an impact on me. Okay. I think Charlie's, um, assassination, um,

I think you'll help me make sense of this. Like, tie, there's, there's two things actually over the summer that really had an impact on me, that had had, uh, me come home and I've been really having it make a difference for me.

And one, one was, um, meeting a new friend, totally unexpected. And this woman, I'll call her Miss M, you know, I met, um, two friends, both that who had names starting with an M. So it's kind of neat. Miss M. Um.

She exuded such confidence and full self-expression in life and aliveness. Um, and she was absolutely physically fit as a wonderful relationship with her husband. You know, from the times that I witnessed, uh, him call her in the conversation that they had. Um, and she's a mother of two and their family life just seemed, the glimpses that I got were just so, um, pure and present.

And, um, she's also a dancer, you know, so that, that also, we went to some swing dance classes together and, um. She also is a modern contemporary dancer, which really just calls to my soul because I, I danced, um, in the past. Right. Um,

and so just meeting, you know, you know, the last episode where I mentioned like, people are catalysts for each other. I mentioned the young gentleman at Natural Grocer. Mm-hmm. Like, she was totally this catalyst for me.

So I came home and I had that, um, inspiration really make a difference for me in altering. You've seen it altering my sleep schedule. Um, and when I eat and being very consistent with, uh, my, my exercise and also my. Um, I'd say that overall, you know, I'm very consistent with or very present in my life is my relationship and conversations with God.

So that was another thing. And she is also a woman of faith and yeah, it just, I have been completely, it, it kind of, maybe it mirrored something that was missing from, not missing from, but kind of dormant in me and it, it brought that back. Mm-hmm. And so I'm just, I'm very, very grateful, you know, that, um, that people have that, that we can have that kind of effect on others.

Mm-hmm. And I, I'm totally gonna let her know that she has, so the other thing that happened was, um, I, I. Well, 

and that's really the intention. Just really quick. I don't wanna say one sentence. 

Yeah. 

That's really, in many ways what's underneath the intention of this whole podcast. 

Yes. 

Is that, you know, the, our commitment to make it, make that kind of difference for people.

Yes, yes. I mean, and the, and the difference that Charlie was making, you know. 

Grief and Loss in Personal Stories

Um, second thing that had a tremendous impact on me was one day I, I opened up, uh, Facebook and the first thing that I saw was that, um, so one of your colleagues, he just does amazing work. Naturopathic physician, um, had a, she, she shared her love story, you know, on social media and o over the past couple of years.

I was witness to it and it was just absolutely beautiful and, uh. Very, very moving. And there are so many God winks, you know, and I love when people share stories that have godwins, you know, our, our 8-year-old, um, often he recognizes them. He says, mommy, but that was a god wink. And you know, those ceren serendipities, when you have a really strong relationship with with God, they show up a lot.

And, you know, being a witness to this love story was just transformative. And so when I opened, uh, Facebook and, and read her announcement that with deep sorrow, you know, she announces the death of her husband. And it was just a, I felt the bodily shock and the breath, you know, escape me. Um.

And

I know a lo, a loss of such a strong father figure in the family. And they, they have a six month old. Yeah, they have a six month old together and he has a, I think the, the young boy looks about 10

and I really wrestled with this one. I know you did. Yes. You know I did. Yeah. Um, you know, it's asking like having conversations with God, like, God, why this one? You know, why could you not preserve this story? You know, the way that it was is it was so, uh, so moving, you know, to kind to witness it in the form that it was.

And, you know, I, um, just the other day at church, you know, in, in the program they have these side notes, and I told you I wept during the service and I wept to you afterwards. I said, and I, because I told you that I've been afraid of my parents dying. Mm-hmm. And then in, in the, it read, um, I wanna, if I wanna read it directly, can you pause it maybe and get it Sure.

So it, it reads, um, so we, we were singing a, a, a hymn, um, pen by St. Francis of Assisi and.

So as his death, drew near Francis, wrote verse six, reminding us that because of Christ, even death sings out in praise of God. Yeah. Let me, I, yeah. I mean, the hymn is all creatures of our God and King.

And he wrote the words to that. Yeah.

Yeah. It's so interesting. I, I wanna read, I wanna read the actual verse so people know what we're talking about. Okay. And it goes like this. And even you, most gentle death waiting to hush our final breath. Oh, praise him. Hallelujah. You lead back home the child of God for Christ, our Lord that way has trod.

And so the way that I have had had that story make a difference for me is I am very present now. Like very, I, I notice like the way that I am, the way that I be, you know, as a wife

particularly, and I've been actively. Catching myself, like the things that, um, I would usually either scoff at or, you know, roll my eyes at or sigh at, or, um, if there is something that I could set aside and just be present to

my love for you

and the,

the many ways in which you express your love in service

and that I get to touch you and that I get to hug you and kiss you and that have you here,

and to actively express my, my appreciation for that, I do it now. Instead of just secretly either celebrating my love for you or secretly saying, you know, oh, that's so amazing. Like what he did. I am, I am expressing that. Mm-hmm. Because I really realize that all we have is now, but this moment. So those are the two things that have had a major, you know, significant.

Like I was in a cocoon, I feel mm-hmm. And now I'm out, like in my full brilliance and really honoring my temple in a way that I have not in a long time. Mm. And honoring you in a way that I have, you know, probably never have. Mm. In our, in our eight years of marriage and.

Yeah. So to allow people and stories, you know, to, to penetrate your heart, your soul, your mind, and to have it and to kind of let it roll around and your brain and your, your cells and to have it make a difference for you.

Well, yeah, I mean I think that, um, first of all, I mean, I have noticed some of what you're talking about that's, it's good to kind of know, uh, to, to get what that is coming from. Um,

and yeah, I mean, I get the gratitude. I get the. Acknowledgement. And it does make a difference, I think, not just for you, but for me to acknowledge verbally. Um, you know, when we are, when we do get present to our love for each other or the, the difference that we make for each other and, and for other people as well.

So yeah. Thank you. Thank you for giving yourself the opportunity to fully express your love.

I appreciate it and I'm sure you, you know, I'm sure it really makes a difference for you actually. Like I really get that 

It does Yeah. In so many ways. 

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And I, I had been, uh, I'd not, not been singing, you know, in church. 'cause I am, I've been constantly moved, you know? I said, okay, you don't really want people to see me weeping in church. And I set that aside because I did read it in the same program that if you sing, Saint Augustine said, if you sing, you pray twice.

Right, right. And I sing, and if I, when I sing, I can sing. Mm-hmm. I love hearing you sing next to me. Yeah. So I, and then at one point I started weeping because it moves me. Yeah. Um, and then I shared with you, you know, and I would not have normally like shared with you, but I did. And I just started weeping in front of you.

And I said, look at this. Look at this. I just discovered this. Then you said, um. You said to me that that's, I told you that I, I was kind of taking it on. Okay. It's a, like a duty, like a job, you know? So that I wouldn't weep through the whole song. Like I can actually sing. And then you said it's, that's the process though, to allow yourself to get moved.

Allow yourself to be moved. 

Yeah. 

And so 

there, there have been times where I've been so moved by him that I tear up for sure. 

Yeah. Right. But I, I weep. Well, I know you iep. Yeah. 

You don't just tear, you weep. He 

has, I, we, it just comes out enough. Fair enough. Going down. 

Fair. 

And, um, yeah, so I just, I, I'll, 

I'll bring an umbrella.

I allowed that. I allowed that. And, 

and 

a box of tissues. Yes. Um.

And I am still discovering, you know, the, the ways that it, it is that this way being is transforming me. Like this openness and this vulnerability

coupled with aliveness and Yep.

Yeah. And that's what I want for people like to pluck yourselves to, to choose, to pluck yourselves out of like the rote day, like the, that daily routine, that robotic, automatic daily routine. And notice these things and not just notice them, but take them on and have it make a difference for you in your life, like for yourself.

For your, oh, your health and for your relationship with your most beloved.

It's like the great pause, you know? And I, yeah, I,

oh man. It's a great reminder. Yeahs a great, great, great practice. Great practice, right? Today, um, Jean-Luc, our 3-year-old, he opened up, uh, you know, the, the door to the school with a key, but he put it in a different place, like on a number. I didn't know that was possible. It's like, oh, he put it on a number, said yes.

I put on an upper. That was magic Mama. I'm magical. He said, I'm magical. Right, right. Absolutely. And he is, yes, yes you are. And you're magical. And it is just a moment, you know, it's that acknowledgement of that moment and, and getting how it feels and my body getting, how the experience feels in my body is really beautiful.

Yeah. Ugh.

It's,

I am thinking about that verse on, on death and, uh, about these women, you know, these mothers and these wives that have endured such a tremendous loss. So, and I acknowledge them for their courage, you know, and for their faith and for continuing to show up for their children.

Yeah, I imagine that's the hard, that's one of the hardest parts. Yeah. You know, it's interesting to me that this is 

something that women have had to deal with for basically all time, because historically, you know, husbands have always died before, before the wives. That's the typical pattern such that when the opposite happens, it's like, oh wow, that's surprising.

Right? 

Yeah. 

Um, so this is like, it's almost like this is part of the experience of being a woman in a way, um, that. No matter how old the woman is that, that it's, it's often that that's gonna hap happen to her, whether it happens when she's young, which of course is the hardest, I think. But it's probably hard at any age.

And it may even be in some ways harder when you're older 'cause you've had more time with that person. Like, you know, I know my aunt, when my uncle passed away, it's was extremely difficult for her. They had been married for how many years? Like, close to gosh, it was, I wanna say almost 70 years. And that could be too many, but it's been like, it was, it, it was over 50 for sure.

Like at the, at my cousin's wedding, their son, the request was to find out who there had been married the longest and they had been married the longest. So it was, uh, a long time. 

Yeah. Your lovely colleague, I think got, um, so a, a April of last year, so not very long. 

Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, she's got a little over a year of memories and a six month old to remember him by 

Yeah.

Which is, you know, and I followed her journey, um, from the time we graduated, I mean, from the time she graduated up until now. And, you know, 'cause she was kind of part of my cohort in a way. She was like a, I think a couple years after me. But, um, because we were in a similar practice location close by, I would see her socially and kind of follow up with what was going on with her.

Um, while we were still super active with that. But yeah, I mean, I think, um. I think we both celebrated to hear them get married and then were really struck by what happened. 

Yeah. I mean, they were a force of a couple, you know, just, yeah.

And just lovely kind people. Yeah. It was just a gorgeous story. And, um, of course the, the arc has shifted. 

Yeah. 

The Role of Media and Political Figures

Well, and I just found out, by the way, speaking of tragedies and deaths, uh, not death necessarily, but, um, I heard from, I haven't told you this yet, I heard from, from, uh, my cousin who we call cousin, and I can say that without it revealing his name, but, uh.

His older brother, um, had a stroke yesterday. Oh my gosh. And is is, uh, in the hospital, hasn't woken up since so we don't know if, if he's gonna wake up or when or So that all happened yesterday also. And I've been praying for him and them, that whole family and yeah, I mean it's just, uh, I always knew for like the last 15 years that 2025 was gonna be a year of transition.

And I used to talk about it when I was in college actually. Like, it's weird. I'm sometimes I have these like intuitions about the future you do too, but yours are different. And I always knew, like, I just knew it wasn't even like a feeling. I just knew that 2025 was gonna be a, a year, a doozy of a year.

But I also knew that if we could get to the other side of it into 2026, intact as a society, then we'd be okay. So that's our job, guys. You know, stay intact. Don't go nuts. Don't start any civil wars or, you know, do any crazy terrorism or, you know, assassination. It's, let's stop assassinations. Let's just, let's that's, that's, you know, please no more.

You know? Um, and um, and I think that's, you know, fundamentally what I'm saying there is, it's a message of hope. You know, people who feel so hopeless that they feel they need to lash out violently need to realize that we are on the precipice. We've been talking a lot about UBI, it's inevitable at this point, you know, and I mean, it's funny 'cause I was listening to Dad Saves America, which I love that podcast, but he and I could not be more different when it comes to economic theory.

But he did a, um. He did a, um, I guess Patrick Beda did a critique, one of those things where you get together 20 people and argue with him one at a time. And actually Charlie Kirk has done one of those too. But the one Patrick Beda did was with like 20 communists or socialists or, you know, people who were left wing economically.

And him and honestly, um, the dad saved his America guy, I always forget his name. John. John. No, I could be wrong about that. Don't quote me anyway, I gotta figure out what his name is. But, um, he, um, Pozo I think is his last, it's, it's Italian for sure. I know he's Italian, but, um. Point being that he kind of was doing like a point by point reaction.

And I've thought about doing some videos like that actually, where we kind of, I do like a react. I don't know, I, I doubt you'll wanna do that, but I, sometimes I think about, I'd like to do a re, you know, point by point, react to like this Doctor Mike video, for example, about vaccines and, you know, or some of the other videos that I watch.

Um, and we could, we could do that. If you guys are interested, let us know in the comments. Or you can email us at our new email address, the partovi effect@gmail.com if you like. How I just slid that in there right in the middle of the episode. Hopefully people made it this far and they're gonna get to that.

Uh, but yeah, the partovi effect@gmail.com is our new email address where you can send any questions. Please assume that we will read out those questions. Um, exactly as you've written them, uh, but with dramatic flare, because that's what we did. 

If I read it, 

yes, probably she will be reading it unless it's a question addressed to her, in which case I will read it.

Uh, and you'll get my dramatic flare. And that'll be fun too. But, uh, but also different. So, um, the, um, that's gonna be like the official way to send us questions from now on moving forward. Uh, we may open up some more avenues, but I kind of would prefer it if we could just do it via that one method, because that way we have one place to go.

It's, we don't have to go raking from three or four different locations. Um, but. Let's see, what was I talking about? I think UBI and Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the Dad Saves America guy was talking about a post scarcity economy and how, oh, that's a myth. That's never gonna happen. And I'm just like, dude, like what are you talking about?

We are maybe five to 10 years away from AI and robotics replacing maybe 15 at the most, you know, but I, I just, I feel very strongly that no later than 2045, you know, it'll be the what Jeremy Rifkin called the end of work, um, where you're gonna have robots and robotics and AI at least capable of replacing, you know, 98 plus percent of all workers at that point.

What are your options other than to have a UBI to have a somewhat some form of socialism? Um, I mean, look, we already have that in the sense that we have. We have minimum wage. What does minimum wage mean? Well, minimum wage means that your job is not valuable enough for the actual market to pay you a living wage or a wage that is gonna allow you to support yourself and your family.

So we as a society have decided to subsidize your job by basically mandating your employer, give you a particular amount of money. That's what a minimum wage is. So, I mean, we already are doing that to some degree. The UBI is basically a minimum wage regardless of what kind of work you're doing. Okay. You know, I mean, that's another way to look at it.

Right? That would be maybe easier for people to wrap their head around some people anyway. Um. Yeah, I mean it's, it's so interesting to me the, the kind of conversations that are going on out there. And I think they're great. I think we have to keep having those conversations. And, um, yeah, I don't remember how I got onto talking about that saves America.

Do you remember, did 

he have a guest that was 

No, no. It was just a commentary that he was doing. He does that sometimes. Sometimes he has guests, sometimes he does commentary. And I was talking like, he'll, he'll comment on a video, which is, and then I was saying that that's something I'm might do if there's enough interest and people can let us know in the comments or send us an email.

But before that, we were talking about, um,

do you remember, uh.

About, uh, cousin, right, brother. And then,

yeah, I mean, we could talk about something else if you'd like to. I'm, I'm ready. 

Come, come back to it. Yeah. Leave it. 

I'm sure it'll come back up if we, if it was something we need to discuss. Yeah. The one thing that we haven't discussed for the last few weeks that I've really wanted to, to get out there at least to just kind of complete it for myself, you know, to check it off the, the checklist is the issue of wearables.

'cause that was something that came up a few weeks ago that we still never talked about, and an RFK junior and how the wearables conversation factors into how RFK Junior is being perceived in the media. How he's being, in my opinion, smeared in the media and whether or not RFK Jr is bought or sold out or being controlled or being, you know, puppeteered or any of the other different hypotheses that are out there, uh, that people claim regarding him.

And I know that, you know, at least historically when you and I have discussed this, I have just pretty much said, uh, no. I don't think that that's what's going on at all. I think that he's making deals where he's, he knows he needs to make this deal in order to get something he knows that we need. So it's like, well, hey, don't bother me too much on the vaccine side and I'll let you have your wearables, you know.

Medical industry, right? It's like, well, you, you know, it's like, and that's the case. Look, and politics is the art of the possible, right? You've got to be willing to cut a deal. You've gotta be willing to say, okay, what's your priority? Okay. In order to get your priority, you're gonna have to give up something else.

You may not love the idea of bombarding people with EMFs or bombarding people with Bluetooth or whatever, but at the end of the day, you know, wh which is the bigger problem? Aluminum in vaccines or EMFs? It's tough to say, but I think that, you know, f from my perspective, the, the, the amount of EMF from a Bluetooth is pretty low, number one.

Number two, it's nobody's mandating any wearables, at least not yet. And I hope they never will. You know, the whole point here is no mandates, uh, which I think that's catching on. Um. So it's an option. And if it gives the, the medical industry, uh, the idea of like, well, this could be another area that we could profit from, uh, to make up for the loss of profits from vaccines and vaccination, eh, maybe we could live with that right now.

I'm not saying that that is explicitly what their conversation looks like or their calculus, but, but it could be something as simple as, well, you know, okay, well maybe we could live with that if you said this or did this and we're okay with that. And maybe that's a trade off. You know, again, as Brett Weinstein loves to say life, especially biology is all about trade-offs.

And I, I say that all the time too. I love it. I agree with it. Uh, but I just wanted to give him credit. Um. So, yeah, I mean, I think that that is, that's what I think is going on here. I, and I think that's what Brett says, and frankly, I agree with him on it. I think that, um, I think that Bobby Kennedy is playing politics and he's learning the trade offs he wants to make.

And I think he's, he's obviously just done run the math, done the calculus, and said, look, you know, I've said publicly that these, you know, that wifi weakens the blood-brain barrier. You know, I, he's, he's said all the things, right? It's like, it's not that he doesn't know that these things are problematic.

It's more like, pick your battles. And so I don't think that it's that he's bought or sold out. I just think he's a smart guy and a, he's, he's now no longer a lawyer suing big pharma or Big Ag or whatever on behalf of the little guy. Now he's in government. Trying to make deals with those big entities on behalf of the little guy.

And I think unlike the people we've had working for us in the CDC and NIH and WHO and, uh, FDA for the last, oh, I don't know, I don't know how long, maybe 50, 60, 70 years, um, unlike those people, um, he is actually a true believer in what government agencies are supposed to do, which is regulate industry, regulate big business, limit their power and fight on behalf of the, of the people and the little guy.

And I think that it's amazing to me how, how well the media machine is able to convince people that of this ridiculous narrative. Somehow he is this anti-science guy, which is just, I'm sorry. It's just so absurd to me because this is a guy who's been fighting the corporate establishment on behalf of protecting the public, using the best available science for his entire career, his entire life, uh, as an adult anyway.

And so the idea that he has now turned his back on science when all he ever says is gold standard science, gold standard science, it's absurd. You know? And that's all he's ever wanted. It's all he's ever fought for. But meanwhile, you know, there's been hiding and obfuscation, and we're gonna bury the results, and we're gonna change these numbers.

And I mean, on behalf of the establishment, anything and everything needed. In order to convince people that the vaccines are safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, to the point that they're gonna program AI to make up citations to fake studies that don't exist. I had a whole conversation with Chad, GPT.

I don't know if I shared this with you. I had a whole conversation with, um, it was a newer model. It was actually oh three before they switched to five, but it was, I, I went back and forth with oh three for a, it was a, you know, it maybe took a few hours debating the issue of vaccination, uh, aluminum, autism, everything we've discussed in our, uh, two-part, uh, podcast that we did on autism, uh, and vaccination with a special focus on aluminum and.

Laying all that data and all that information out and, and no matter how much data and how much, how many studies I was able to give it, it continued to argue for there's no link. When it ran out of actual, any, any actual evidence? Because I had refuted all of the supposed evidence that it had provided, it started to provide me with fake studies.

In other words, studies that don't exist. Like it would give me a citation, it would hallucinate what they call hallucinate. I call it lying, but whatever, uh, they would, it would hallucinate a citation, and then I would take that citation and put it in PubMed and it would, nothing would be found. Right. And then I'd google it.

Nothing would be found. Then I'd come back and I'd say, this is a made up study. This does study doesn't exist. Right. And then it was like, oh, yeah, well, I, I thought, you know, that sounded like a study that should exist. You know? And, and, and, uh, I know those studies are out there, but they just, you know, I, I, I didn't have time to find them.

And I'm like, okay, well why don't you take your time? And then it was like, you know, eventually I got it to say, well. Oh, well those studies, I can't find them. 

Debating the Evidence

But you know, just because there's limitations in this, that and the other in terms of the evidence doesn't mean that, you know, you're right. It basically was like, you know, at the very least what we can say is maybe there's a hole in the evidence.

I'm like, okay, well that's maybe as far as I can get you to, to, to go. But, um, you know, it, it points to basically studies that, uh, that it alleges, although I could never get it to actually provide me with links to those studies that it alleges that have been done in other countries, um, that have shown no link.

But I mean, those studies, um, not only could I not find them, but also, um, the studies, the way they've been designed are all looking at one vaccine. Right? Which is not my hypothesis and. You know, so it's sort of like, well, okay. 

RFK Junior's Controversial Claims

Um, and then RFK Junior points out the studies that have shown, that have shown an increased rate from, uh, vaccination for autism in certain populations.

And then that those results got buried. 

CDC Whistleblower and Political Reactions

And there's a whole thing about the CDC whistleblower, which we talked about in that, in that episode. Um, so I don't wanna rehash that here, but I mean, I think it's well worth a listen if you haven't already listened to it and, and you're, if you've been taken up in everything that's been going on in the last couple weeks about RFK Junior and you know, Bernie yelling at him and, um, Elizabeth Warren yelling at him, and, you know, again, two people that, two people that had they been nominated, I would've voted for in, in 2020.

Uh, really just making me sick to my stomach at this point in how they're treating him. Really just. Despicable is, is the only way that I can describe it. So, you know, people claiming to be progressives, people claiming to support the people and yet completely un obviously bought and paid for by pharma.

Yeah. 

Maybe not to the point that 

Corruption in the CDC

they're defending the, the, they're defending the people in the CDC who were fired because they were caught working for big pharma, which is what they don't, you know, which is the real story of what happened there. And basically Bobby Kennedy goes to CDC director at the time and says, Hey, I need you to fire these people because they're working for big pharma.

We've done an investigation, you know, they are, they are corrupt. And she's like, no, I'm not gonna do it. And he's like, well, okay. Uh, why not? You know? And they go back and forth and then she refuses to do it because, oh, they're scientists and da da. It's like, well, okay. Yeah, but they're corrupt. And, you know, and then he asks her whether she's an honest actor and she straight up tells him, no, you know, uh, that she's not going to, you know, she's not going to go based on the evidence.

She's gonna go based on, you know, what, what the establishment narratives. At which point it's like, well, why are you here? We don't need you here. You know? I think that what happened, and, and honestly, she was the one appointment, the one appointment that I was like, what are they doing here? This one doesn't make any sense.

What happened was, is the guy they really wanted, um, I guess there was some pushback from the guy who's the head of, um. The health department or the health committee in, uh, the Senate. And, uh, or, you know, he, he wasn't real keen on the guy that they had originally put up there, which is interesting 'cause he was actually a former congressman, Republican congressman, who's also a physician, uh, but was someone who's expressed some skepticism about certain vaccines.

Anyway, so then they pulled that guy and then they just let this woman who has kind of already been there just said, well, we think we can work with her. And then, you know, a few months in, they realize, oh wait, no, we can't. And because she's not, you know, she's not willing to be coachable, she's not willing to play ball.

So then of course they fire her because that's what you do to an employee who's not willing to be coachable and play ball. And I mean, I just think that seems pretty obvious. You know, if somebody's not willing to follow orders, you get rid of 'em Now. You know, the, the comment that's being made is, oh, well they wanted her to follow, you know, unethical orders.

It's like, is it unethical to tell people the truth, to fire people who are corrupt? I mean, I just, I don't see how that's, that's unethical at all, but let's be honest, right? It takes a certain kind of person and I'm, I just wanna say this and then I wanna hear what you have to say. 

Vaccine Injuries and Chronic Diseases

It takes a certain kind of person to admit to themselves, much less to other people that, oops, I messed up, oops, I injured myself.

Or even worse my children by, by having them be vaccinated. That is extremely difficult. And I'm not saying that all disease is vaccine injury, right? 'cause that's hyperbolic, right? But there's no doubt that there is a lot of chronic disease in this country by virtue of how the vaccination works. We know from, you know, European studies that allergies, eczema, autism autoimmunity, all of that kind of thing.

Sorry, not autism. Autism is a different mechanism. But, um, allergies, eczema, atop p um, autoimmune disorders, all of those are provoked by the use of adjuvants and people get sensitized to things in their environment, food, pollen, et cetera, through the use of those adjuvants in the vaccination. And so their immune systems become, you know, sort of hyper reactive and as a result you get all those chronic inflammatory diseases and inflammation is the root of a ton of, of, of today's chronic diseases and health problems.

The majority for sure. So. I think that given that it's really hard for people, 'cause they're like, oh, I don't want to admit that this could be partially my fault that my kid is dealing with this chronic allergy problem. You know, now they're allergic to everything and you know, I don't want to, you know, oh, it's genetic.

It's like, okay, well yeah, in the sense that another kid gets the same vaccines and doesn't get that reaction, you could say, well that's to some degree genetic. Sure. But the point is, is, is it truly genetic? If you hadn't gotten the vaccine, you didn't get the thing, the, the disease, uh, you know, yeah, there's a genetic susceptibility to the vaccine reaction, but that's only part of the picture.

There's also the vaccination itself that was the provoking agent. So, you know, and do we need to figure out exactly who can safely get what vaccine? Yeah. I mean, I think that's a reasonable study to do, but in the meantime, I would say we should probably pause them. Um. Yeah. Um, I want to, I wanna pause this.

So, so all of that was a long way of, of basically saying, no, I don't think RFK Junior is bought or being controlled or co-opted, but I'd love to hear your response. Rebuttal opinions. Yeah. 

So are you, for anybody that is familiar with the, the Art of War, um, I, I would assert that there are many people that want RFK Junior's head on a stake.

Okay. And if, if, if you really look at, um, the way that he speaks, um, he's a lawyer. Okay. And so the way that he says something, uh, might instantly seem like, oh, now he's the enemy. He's bought and paid more. But look, the, my invitation is to look and listen, um, to the way that he says things. Um, it's very, he's very facile, like absolutely facile at, uh, playing the game.

And you have to, and you have to at this, at this stage where there have been so many sweeping, you know, changes like the, the foundation is coming up underneath the, the CDC, you know, and the FDA and the, and, and these big corporations and big pharma. So I, I actually agree with you. 

Wearables and Personal Health Choices

About training the wearables.

You know, I, I've been given, been given wearables as a gift. I said, no, thank you. No thank you for one, you know, I don't wanna be monitoring, monitoring my heart with a device that actually changes changes. Um, you physiologically, as you try to monitor or have my kids like, try to, oh, why me try to go after my wearable?

I wanna be an example of, uh, especially for my children, um, being free of devices. Mm-hmm. You know, actually living my, my life out there. Right. I'm so, no thank you to wearables. Uh, and I don't ever think that, you know, wearables will, will be mandated. You know, they're going really hard against, um, not mandating these, you know, these boosters and which is still happening.

Just so it's just. 

Navigating Vaccine Information

Go down the rabbit hole, do your research, you know, exercise critical thinking, stop using shot GBT for a second and actually just look. 

Well, and, and you know, that reminds me of something your brother said to me when we were, we were visiting, uh, your family, um, this last week up in New York.

And, um, you know, he and his, uh, he's a newlywed. He and his wife are newlyweds and, uh, apparently they don't see eye to eye on the vaccination issue. And really my advice to him was my advice to everyone, which is, do your own research. You know, go down the rabbit hole yourself, you know, watch the.

Propaganda on both sides and decide which is propaganda and which isn't, you know, naturopathic pediatrics. Um, a colleague of mine has a great, uh, program on vaccination that kind of is, is really the most non-biased, down the middle. You know, we're gonna talk about the risks of not getting the vaccine, the risks of getting the vaccine.

What are those risks? How likely are they, you know, if you were to get the disease, what's your likelihood of dying? What's your likelihood of being permanently injured? You know, how likely you are to get it, et cetera. And that is the most non-biased down the middle science-based program I'm aware of because everything you're getting from the conventional medical world is all.

Propaganda like, rah rah, this is the greatest invention ever. And you know, we sort of hung our entire hat on on that as one of the greatest, if not the greatest interventions ever developed by modern medicine. Um, and then you get a lot of propaganda on the other side basically saying, no vaccines, no matter what, you know, and, and honestly there is, um, there is some middle ground.

Evaluating Vaccine Risks

I mean, as RFK Junior himself has said, the live virus vaccines, um, sorry, Eno virus vector vaccines do tend to actually improve all cause mortality. So, and we're gonna do another episode on specifically on vaccination, looking at which vaccines may actually be worth it. In other words, which vaccines actually do decrease your risk of, of dying, and which ones actually.

Uh, don't. And so that'll be, you know, right now we know for sure that the COVID vaccine does not reduce your risk of death overall. In fact, as I've mentioned many times, your risk of, um, of dying overall may have even increased slightly from getting a COVID vaccine. We actually had some recent data that came out this last week.

I didn't even think to bring the data, but you know, Dr. John Campbell has reviewed this extensively. And so I would re refer people to him and his recent videos on this topic. Uh, but we now have seen through other countries data because the United States is for some reason not collecting this data, but, um, the, uh, at least not yet, I'm sure we will.

But the, um, I believe it's from the Netherlands, I want to say. But anyway, Czech, or maybe it's Italy anyway, it's somewhere in Europe where they looked at. People who got the vaccine, people who didn't get the vaccine, and risks of cancer in particular. And I remember he said that risk of bladder cancer went up 60%.

Um, and I know breast cancer went up and several other cancers also went up. So, you know, and amongst the vaccinated group, so pretty interesting. Um, 

I wish I would stop overhearing people like the other, last Sunday I overheard a couple say, oh, we just got our COVID vaccine. I usually get five hours sleep, but sleep I got 12 after the vaccine.

That's great. 

Oh my gosh. 

Why?

Oh, sorry. Pardon my French. Yeah. But, um, yeah, no, I, um. I just think it's like, you know, if you know that that sleep is maybe, and they don't probably, that sleep is our body's sort of healing mode. It's like, why did your body need to heal that much after, you know, the supposed safe shot? You know? Um, why did it basically go into hibernation mode, uh, emergency shutdown, you know?

Um, 

back to RFK, junior, did you really get what I, what I said, or my, my thoughts on, 

um, so what I got was that you agreed with me. I did, I did. No's That's basically the, the short version. But, um, yeah, and, and I got that you agree with me that essentially no matter how. Uh, much they wanna say like, oh, everyone will be wearing a wearable, or you'll all, you know, own nothing and be happy.

That doesn't make it true. Right. That's just something that somebody's saying and that we get a choice of whether that's gonna actually become the case or not. 

Yes. 

Um, 

and to, you know, I a small story on critical thinking. Um, you're teaching our boys, like on the court all the time how to think critically.

Okay. And they asked you if they could do something. Um, and then you said, uh, after church, and then you came back to them when they, they asked you, can we do this thing? Said, I never said after church when. 

I didn't say immediately after church. Right. Which could mean in 10 years after church, right. 10 years after church is over this week plus 10 years, we get to do whatever it is.

Right. 

So the so now the 8-year-old is in the habit of asking daddy by when after church, 

which is great. 

Yes. It's, it's kind of like, you know, between husbands and wives. Hus wives are always asking their husbands to take out the trash, you know, and there's, there's always this, ugh. Hated take out the trash, have to go do it myself.

So women, I'm gonna give you a little, uh, 

we, we can actually mock this. Okay? Yes. Why don't you do it. 

Sure. Husband, will you please take out the trash? Sure. By when Are you available to take out the trash? Well, by when does it work for you? I 

will have the trash taken out by. Friday at 4:00 PM 

Fantastic.

Perfect. Actually, no, because Fri Waste Management comes in the morning super early, so that doesn't work. 

Hmm. Okay. How about by midnight, uh, on Thursday then. 

Great, thank you. 

Okay, great. I'll do it by then. That works. 

Just we'll resolve so much. 

And then as, as a man, by the way, like as the part, you know, male person in this dynamic, assuming it's, you know, male and female, um, you need or whoever's taking the trash out, we'll, we'll, we'll keep it, you know, neutral.

Um. You need to put a reminder, maybe even an alarm in your phone. 

Yes. 

Thursday night, 11:58 PM you know, 

well, putting it into existence. 

Existence, yeah. That's so 

it's not just something that you have to Yes. Remember or you 

regret and then, and then by the way, partner that has requested the trash taken out, you did not get to ask, did you take the trash out until when?

When do you get to ask that question? 

Uh, 12:01 AM Thur Friday morning. 

Correct. When you see the trash hasn't been taken out, right. You get you, you go look, and you're like, Nope, they didn't do it. Then you get to say, sweetheart, 1201 did, did you take the chance? 

If, if you operate from these very simple agreements?

And then, but 

see, here's the thing. When you do it that way, you're not nagging, you're holding me accountable, right? 

Yes. Yes. And if you operate. My word as a couple, it's Annas from these simple agreements, it will really, uh, eliminate so much potential conflict. Yeah. Make life so much easier. Yeah. And function with flow and ease and, 

yeah.

No, I remember I was, I was coaching a young lady one time and she was always upset because she said, oh, my partner that I'm with, he always is leaving his clothes out. And then, and I'm like, well, okay, did you ask him to put the clothes? Yes. And he didn't do it. I'm like, okay, well, did did you ask him by when he would do it?

And she's like, no, you know, because she saw immediately like, oh, you know, he, I ask him, he says, yes, 25 minutes later, he hasn't done it. I immediately make him wrong versus saying, okay, well sweetheart, by when will you have, you know, and then, then you're in negotiation 

Or how I used to be like, if you didn't do it within 10 seconds, I'm all, 

yeah.

Well, and even, I mean, and I'm not like my, you know, you know what doesn't stink? Like I never do this. There are times when I would ask you to do something and then you wouldn't do it. And then, and I realized, oh, I need to say, will you do this within the next two minutes? Right. Or by when will you do it?

Right. You have to be precise on the timing. 'cause if you're not, then the other person's like, yeah, I'll get around to it. You know, eventually one day, someday. You know? So yeah. Precision, precision matters. 

Yes. 

Yeah, absolutely. 

I just noticed that I'm wearing, um, blue and white. Mm-hmm. And, um, so the, the, your, your colleague, the story that I was talking about mm-hmm.

Um, her husband's, he, he, uh, passed from a heart attack mm-hmm. At, at, um, a young age. Yeah. Um, and he's, he's Greek. They celebrated, um, his life, um, wearing blue and white. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

We're, we're, we're both wearing blue and white. This is a blue light blue, a light blue and white check. Yeah. This is a blue undershirt.

I didn't plan that actually. I was like, I just gonna throw this on. But some of one of those God winks you 

mentioned. Yes. Thank you.

Okay. So you got that. I was, that I agree with you on the whole RK issue. Yeah. I think, um, yeah, there's just so much unearthing, uh, going on that, um, just I 

hope that Nicole Shanahan now agrees with us. 'cause that that was the big thing, right? She was like, oh, I think he's, you know, must be co-opted because it's like, no, the reason why he, oh, that was related to the whole.

Uh, Casey means appointment, right? It's like, no, Casey means appointment is because she's really big on social media and she's good with it. And so they want somebody who's gonna be good with social media to come and, and it's marginally aligned with them to come and be the person, to be the surgeon general.

I mean, it makes sense to me. Um, maybe at the time it was like, well, why this person? You know? But sometimes, you know, you pick someone from a particular role, not because of that they're necessarily the most competent at being a surgeon. Right. A surgeon general is not about being a surgeon or being the best surgeon in the country.

It's about being somebody who can communicate about health issues to the American people in a logical, rational, cohesive, clear way, so that people will get what it is that they need to get. About whatever the health topic is, you know? Um, and so yeah. Are there people who are more experienced and more competent and capable as physicians that they could have picked?

Sure. But I get why they picked Casey means. So I don't think that means that he's bought or co-opted or corrupt either. I just think it's like, well, we made a decision based on, and I mean, I think that that young lady that they picked, uh, Caroline Levitt, I think is her name as the communications lady at the White House.

Mm-hmm. She's a great example of this, right? I mean, clearly not like the most erudite like intellectual they could have possibly chosen, but like really competent, fast on her feet at communication. Yes. You know, and sometimes for these public facing roles, and this is why it drives me nuts, it's like, well, okay, but.

People complain. They say, well, the director of HHS should be a doctor. It's like, no, that's not. 

Critique of Public Health Figures

Historically the case director of HHS is an administrator, somebody who can run an agency, and given that the goal of the Trump administration with regard to Health and human services is to go in and clean out all of the pharma toadies from these organizations, the best possible administrator for that purpose is someone who has spent their career suing these organizations and knowing by virtue of their adversarial relationship, who is bought and paid for by pharma and who's corrupt and who they need to get rid of, and there's nobody more qualified for that purpose than RFK Junior.

People who assume, oh, we just need to keep running things as business as usual. It's like, where were you during COVID? You know, where we like, you know, masked two year olds based on no evidence whatsoever and forced them to wear masks to attend daycare. You know, where were you doing COVID? Where they made up this six foot thing, which really is like totally made up because it really should have either been 12 feet or nothing.

You know, if you're gonna truly distance properly, but they, oh, let's just 12 feet's too much. We'll just pick another number. It's like literally, I mean that's, Fauci has said that at this point, you know, Dr. Fless and people still think he's a hero. It's like, really? So you missed the part where he went behind the Obama administration's back and funneled US taxpayer dollars to China to develop this virus, which now we know as COVID.

In the Wuhan Institute of Virology, you, you missed that whole story. It's like, where have you been? So, you know, I just, uh, I don't give any credence to the people, uh, smearing Bobby Kennedy right now. I think he's by far the best Director of Health and Human Services in my lifetime, maybe ever, probably ever.

I would say, uh, because he's actually doing what's needed to clean out those agencies and put people in them who are true public servants. They're getting rid of the pharma control. They're gonna put, they just announced they're putting more strictures. We didn't talk about this yet. It's been such a busy last couple weeks.

Um, they're putting restrictions on pharmaceutical advertising. They're gonna require you to require them to list all the side effects now, which means guess what? Probably aren't gonna see too many of those. 'cause nobody's gonna pay for a four minute ad for them to sit there and list every side effect.

So, you know, they can't ban them without changing the law, but rather than changing the law, they're gonna change the rules. And the rules are you've gotta. The new ruling is you gotta list everything and, um, no longer be misleading, you know, showing pictures of people dancing around, being ap, riding in 

a convertible with their 

hair, they're going back so absurd.

It's like these are, these are poisons, these are poisons that you are taking at a dose low enough so that it doesn't kill you and hopefully makes you feel a little better because of the body's, the, the, the, the machinations your body is gonna go through to try to reroute the metabolic process around whatever drug you're taking is, is gonna be, um, a, is gonna have a net positive effect on your symptoms, how you feel subjectively, it's like, oh, okay.

Yeah, 

when I was a kid watching all those pharma commercials and then at the end, you know, in that really low. Voice side effects might include bleeding of all your major organs and even death. And I'm just like, are people listening to that part? Makes sense. Oh man. 

Anyway, anything else you wanna talk about this week?

Talk about, okay. We, I think we've covered the gambit. You know, like just, uh, I just gotta say one more thing about Bernie. 'cause you know, oh gosh. I mean, historically I've been so disappointed in him regarding all this health stuff. I mean, but it's like, it shows me that like, you know, it's kind of, it was like a never meet your heroes kind of moment, but it's like, I've actually met Bobby Kennedy in person.

I never got, I never got to meet Bernie, but um, you know, looked in his eyes, shook his hand. Um, that man is here for good. But I would just say that Bernie's, I, um. Sellout to big Pharma has been so dramatic and so intense that it's been almost like I've had whiplash. You know, I remember hearing him being interviewed in 2016 about this issue and he was like, you know, yeah, you know, vaccines are safe and effective for most people, but like, yeah, you know, just let people do what they wanna do, you know, parent choice, that kind of thing.

I mean, that was, that was his position back then. Now of course, it's shifted dramatically and he's gone totally over to the establishment. Establishment. Um, you know, big pharma, rah rah, you know, you're dangerous if you're not encouraging everybody to get the full schedule, including COVID, you know? I was gonna say, the American Academy of Pediatrics has now decided they need to come up with their own.

I should say the, the American, the, the American Academy of Pharma Pediatrics has said that they, we now not to have our own expanded vaccine schedule because we can't trust the CDC one anymore. It's like, okay guys, and, and who breads your butter? Or who butters your bread? I mean, that's just, I mean, I, I I think publicly, publicly, at least a third of their budget is directly from big pharma publicly, uh, directly.

So the question then becomes, okay, well what kind of payoffs have their top, top people been given directly from big pharma? What do we not know about private funding? 'cause it's a private entity. You don't have to disclose, you know, where your money all comes from. So I. And yet these people are being claimed to speak for all the physicians in the country.

It's like, do you realize that less than 25%, I think it's something like 15%. But last time I looked for sure it was less than 25% of all doctors are members of the American Medical Association, but they claim to speak for all doctors. It's like, yeah, right. I, I mean, 15% is what I remember. And you know, okay, so there's 15% of doctors out there that are rah rah, big pharma, but the vast majority are like, you know, either agnostic about it.

Like, well, you know, I mean, maybe that's what I do for my family and kids, but if you don't want to do it, you don't have to. Or they're directly financially. We had a whole episode where we talked about that they're directly financially, um, entangled with the vaccination status of their patients. So 

I was gonna say earlier, maybe when are we 

having that, that, uh.

Soon. Sorry to interrupt you soon. Soon. That interview with the p the pediatrician very 

soon. 

Okay. 

Uh, I was gonna say earlier, perhaps like the vitriol that's, that Bernie is feeling and, and Warren and all that is guilt. 

Well, I, okay, so that's 

from a, with, you know, you withhold something, right, right. That you've done, but you blame the other person.

Mm-hmm. And it all comes out like blah. 

Projection. Projection. Absolutely. A hundred percent. I agree. That makes a lot of sense. Um, and it's so funny because it's like, the way he worded it was like, are you telling me that all these doctors and all these agencies, they're all corrupt And it's like, Bernie, you know, they're all corrupt.

Shut up. Like, like, you know, they're all corrupt. Like, are you kidding me? Are you telling me that all of these senators, it's like, yes, Bernie, of course, because they are right. Like, and I'm not saying that Bobby Kennedy. Doesn't have his own interests. But I would say that out of everybody that I know, I mean, he truly grew up as like a public servant.

Everything I've ever heard him say or any Kennedy say about the way that they grew up was basically like they were trained from an early age as like true believers in the idea that of like no blis o obligation, like we give back to society for all of what we have been given. And the way we do that is by serving the public.

And I truly believe that that is like his mindset fundamentally. 

So I, I, I wanna address something you said. Um, like they're all corrupt. They're all, uh, so I, I'm quite convinced that Bernie entered into politics, you know, uh, believing that he, you know, could make a a, a a. A change for the people. Mm-hmm.

Like on, on behalf of the people. Yeah. Right. And somewhere something happened in there that, um, that kind of marred that, 

well, I think it was somewhere. And so I think in between the 2016 and 2020 campaigns, because you see a shift away from the traditional democratic socialists. You know, let's not talk about race.

We're just here to talk about, you know, the struggles of the working class people to more of an embrace of that, you know, identity politics stuff that did start to creep into the campaign in 2020. 

So I, I'm gonna make an analogy. So I, I think pediatricians enter into, you know, they, they, at one point when I was little, I wanted to become a pediatrician.

And I'm sure there are so many pediatricians. Your, your cousin being among one of them who truly believes. You know that she's making a difference for children and, but that by following the rules, this is what keeps children healthy. Okay. So, um, it's gonna be a very interesting conversation when we do have that pediatrician, Dr.

Joel on our podcast. 'cause I wanna really uncover all of that. 

Yeah, 

yeah. 

Well, and I think that, um, 

sometimes they know not what they do 

well. Yeah. And I think infectious disease can be scary. You know? It, it's dramatic. It's a lot more, you know, if, if it does result in a death, there was another measles death recently.

If it does result in death, then you get, which is tragic. And obviously we're, you know, I mean, any museum death Yes. Or 

whatever was publicized as a measles death. 

Fair 

enough. With, you know, 

who knows some other, other comorbidities 

or underlying conditions. 

Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. Um. But I would just say that the,

the focus on the infectious disease is problematic in two ways. First of all, the way that I was just alluding to, which is that it's like, well, this is this really dramatic fast death, which is an often at an untimely age, right? Um, which is always tragic as we've been discussing pretty much this entire time.

But, um, the other part of it is that it totally neglects that underlying terrain, which is like, what is the baseline health of the individual in question? Um, and not only that, but sometimes what else? Also, like in that first measles death, uh, in Texas a few months ago, that girl. Had measles was already recovering, then she got secondary bacterial pneumonia, which was treated with the wrong antibiotic.

So that's why she died. She died from the secondary bacterial pneumonia. So it's like, what else is not being addressed? 

Mm-hmm. 

And you know, we've talked a lot about vitamin A, but I think there's other issues as well. Of course. You know, it's not the only nutrient that's involved in the immune function, so, yeah.

Individualized Medical Care

I mean, look, I think that at the end of the day, uh, people have to realize that the single etiology paradigm, which is that every disease is caused by one specific thing, is just it, it's only gonna take you so far, um, and probably not

much past high school biology. Right? Uh, if you're really looking into getting to how disease works, it's a, it's a, as. Brett and, uh, Brett Weinstein and Heather ing say it's a complex system. Biology is a complex system. There's a lot of interacting, interlocking variables. And when you deal with a complex system, there's always gonna be more than one factor involved.

It's just like we were talking about with vaccination, it's like, no, vaccines are not the only cause of autism, nor do they cause autism in every child. Right. And that's the tricky part, because if they caused autism in every child, it would be really obvious and we'd take 'em off the market. 

Right. 

But because of the fact that it's like some kids who are genetically susceptible in certain cases, depending on timing and you know, when they get the vaccine and how many they get, and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

Like, there's all these nuance to the conversation that it's like, okay, well what do we really need to focus on? And the problem is, is that the guidelines. No guideline can ever take all those variables into account. And that's, that should, that statement is kind of like, whoa. What, what do you mean? It's like, well, so, so we shouldn't have guidelines anymore.

It's like, well, guidelines are just that. They're a starting point. And if you see them as a starting point, then you're gonna approach them from the right perspective, and you're gonna customize the the care to the individual patient. You know, if a child has a reaction to the first dose of the vaccine, don't give them another dose.

You know, if a child is having inflammatory or neurodevelopmental disorders, stop vaccinating them. You know, like it's real simple. But you know, if you totally shut yourself off from the possibility that there's any relationship between the two, and you don't do the research, and you don't educate yourself, and you just say, well, I'm gonna keep following the guidelines like a guideline robot.

You know, and, and call anybody who questions the guidelines. Anti-scientific, you know, uh, I mean, there is no one size fits all diet. There is no one size fits all drug. There is no one size fits all vaccine. There is no one size fits all approach to medicine. And anybody who's selling you that doesn't understand that for every difference we have on the outside of our bodies, there are literally an order of magnitude, 10 times more differences biochemically to us as humans, as there are physical outside differences.

So try to wrap your head around that and then ask yourself, does it make sense that we give everybody the same exact schedule of vaccin vaccination? Does that make sense any more than does it really make sense that we should all be eating the same exact food? Does it really make sense that. We should, we should, that we should all be doing the same exact anything.

You know, I mean, like, it, it, I think the, the underlying presumption should be, no, we should be doing things differently and individualized to the individual. And then there may be certain things that, okay, well no, really, most of us can get away with doing X or Y, but maybe on Z we have to really parse it out, right?

But that should, that kind of a consensus should emerge over time. You know, like, okay, well in 99% of the cases, we should probably wash our hands, you know, five times a day. But then somebody who's got super dry skin, maybe they need to use this special soap and only wash their hands twice a day. You know, like even stuff that seems obvious and basic like handwashing, you know, you're gonna have somebody who needs something a little tweaked.

You know, so I think people, if you came from that perspective, rather than thinking all humans are fundamentally the same. And look, this comes from a good impulse, it comes from the idea of like, and I was having this conversation with, uh, my brother and my cousin. We have a, a text thread where we talk about different current events and news and stuff like that.

And I was basically saying, look, you know, you treat people, you have equality under the law means you treat people the same within the legal system. But that doesn't mean that we were truly, that everyone is equal in every way. That's, that's obviously on its face, patently absurd. You know, everybody has differences.

And those differences, um, often have unequal results and, and frankly even un un an unequal starting point. And so. You know, I think that this idea of like, oh, we need to treat all humans with the same treatments, comes from that idea of like, well, we're all equal. It's like, yeah, but not actually. That's a place to stand.

It's a place to come from and it leads you to certain logical errors. Like we need to treat all patients the same in terms of how they actually get treated, which drugs get used, which nutraceuticals get prescribed, which diet they follow, which vaccines they get. And when it leads you to all sorts of errors, if you approach it, you know, your medicine from this sort of democratic ideal of, you know, all men are created equal, or all people are created equal, and therefore we should all get the same, whatever.

Versus if we came from this idea that like, okay, no, maybe we're all different. And use that to guide our medical care. I think we'd get much better care. Um, but I also think that, you know, and I think as a society we're maturing, so we're starting to kind of grapple with this really for the first time in many ways, which is fascinating because I think that, I don't know if you really thought about this much, but it's like we have this idea we've inherited as Americans and it's gospel here.

It's like the truth that all men are created equal. It's like, oh, it's in our constitu. You know, it's, it's there. Um, but our founding documents, but the challenge is okay, but that's a legal construct. So when is that applicable and when does it cause us to actually make errors? And I think that's a worthwhile conversation and it's one that we need to start having as a society.

Yes. For all of life guidelines are a good starting point and are not the end. All right, we are individuals.

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