You’ve Been Lied To About Vaccines? The Shocking Truth Mainstream Medicine Won’t Tell You!

What if everything you thought you knew about childhood vaccines and autism was based on incomplete or even misleading information? 

In this explosive episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI, and Mrs. Madi Partovi tackle the heated debate surrounding vaccine safety, the autism epidemic, and the real drivers behind public health improvements.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI responds to a viral, snarky comment about vaccines and infant mortality by flipping the script: Are vaccines the true heroes, or have we ignored the powerful roles of nutrition, sanitation, and personalized medicine? With a blend of medical expertise and parental perspective, the Partovis breaks down the data, challenges pharmaceutical industry motives, and offer parents actionable resources for making truly informed choices.

This episode is not about rejecting science- it's about demanding better science, honest conversations, and safer, more effective health solutions for our children. Whether you’re a skeptical parent, a health professional, or just tired of one-size-fits-all answers, this conversation will make you rethink everything you’ve been told.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• Why the dramatic rise in autism rates coincides with the expansion of the vaccine schedule- and what the data really shows.
• The overlooked benefits of natural infection versus vaccination, and why some childhood diseases might actually protect against future illness.
• The hidden history of declining childhood mortality- was it really vaccines, or something else entirely?
• How to find unbiased, science-based resources and ask the right questions at your next pediatrician visit.

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Transcript

The Partovi Effect Episode May 15h 2025 

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Introduction to The Partovi Effect

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Welcome to this episode of The Partovi Effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And we're going in with the serious conversation. Okay. 

Autism and Vaccination Discussion

Mrs. Madi Partovi: You had shared a graph on your Facebook page. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. Yeah. It's figure one from the from the autism and vaccination episodes that we've done recently.

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. So US autism prevalence versus vaccine schedule expansion from 1980 to 2020. Right. And then we had a comment from miss Meredith now which was, now, let's see, one adding in the data for reduced infant mortality rates due to vaccines. But you might need to rescale your graph 10 times. I detect a hint of snarkiness in that comment, but we're gonna address it.

Levelheaded. Okay. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: please. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. So I think that the implication there is basically that, okay, vaccines may have contributed to [00:01:00] increased risk in autism and increased rates in au of autism. But if we were to, do the inverse, which is to eliminate vaccination, that we'd see a really huge spike in infant mortality.

First of all, I want to just create a little bit of background context before I even get into addressing the question of childhood mortality. And whether and how that would be affected by vaccination. 

The Need for Customized Vaccination

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: A pause in vaccination, let's say, I'm not advocating for, the end of vaccination as a concept.

I think what we need is we need vaccination, that's number one, smart, which is not. The same schedule for everyone needs to be customized and individualized, personalized. Number two, we need to get out the toxic components. There shouldn't be any aluminum in vaccines. There shouldn't be, things that we know have toxicity, esp and especially if we know that they bioaccumulate, they accumulate in the body over time, we shouldn't be putting those into childhood [00:02:00] vaccinations.

And they should be administered in a way that triggers the natural kind of immune response, which is that iga, a immune response, which is what is iga, is the immunoglobulin, the antibody that's produced, in our mucus membranes, eyes, ears, nose, mouth. Anus for that matter. And also vaginal and penal, reproductive areas.

That area has what's called the mucosal associated lymphatic tissue, the malt, and that mucosa is where most of our iga a and also lining our gut is where most of that IGA is produced. That's where the vast majority of viruses and bacteria are gonna enter the body. And that's where we need to put our immune response.

How much sense does it make to create this massive IgG response, which is what you get when you inject you bypass all that and you inject an antigen directly into the body. You get a really strong IgG response, which is like the immune response against. Something that's already breached.

The barriers, right? It's already gotten [00:03:00] past the wall, it's already gotten past the mucosa, it's already into the bloodstream, into the tissues, and now you've got a real pro systemic problem that doesn't really even make much sense to me as a way to protect us against infection from transmission, right?

Which is the putative stated goal of vaccination, which is to reduce transmission. If you're gonna do that, you need a strong iga, a response and you need a strong mucosal response. And probably the best way to do that is gonna be with some of the newer vaccine technologies that are actually like nasal sprays or oral right?

Where you're actually getting exposed to it through the same way that you would a virus or a bacteria. But I think before we can even have that conversation, we need to have a conversation about. 

Natural Infection Benefits

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: What are the potential benefits of natural infection that we may be missing out on? Which we saw a lot of that in the measles conversation where we saw, 25% reduction in risk of cardiovascular event death from [00:04:00] natural measles infection, where we saw from chickenpox, natural chickenpox infection, 60% reduction in gli in glioma risk.

Right? We saw at least, I think it was a 20% reduction in all cause cancer from ages 15 to 65 in people who had natural measles infections. So the first question is, 'cause we know that, high rates of vaccination, minimize transmission certainly of these childhood illnesses, but the question is the juice worth the squeeze?

So if, for example, nobody's getting measles anymore is there any, for example, any benefit on all cause mortality from the vaccines? Number one. Number two are we seeing is the benefit, if there is a benefit, is that benefit the same or greater than just getting the natural infection? Right?

Because if getting the natural infection is greater, which is what I suspect might be the case then our focus should be on optimizing the terrain, [00:05:00] optimizing the malt, the mucosal associated lymphatic tissue, that IGA response to protect the body as much as possible so that we can have a robust response so that the, you never even get close to the point where the pa, the person's life is threatened.

And I think if we do that by focusing on terrain and boosting immunity and, early treatment, then I think we've, we've really probably, we get the best of both worlds in that case. We get. The natural infection and all of the side benefits of that. Plus we get a very low risk of morbidity and mortality.

So getting into the question that, did you have anything you wanna say about that before I got into the specific question of infant mortality? 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: It makes so much sense to me as a mom and as the first line, choice maker and, protection of my children. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks for saying that because it's, not just because it's [00:06:00] validating, but also because our goal here is really to create a new consensus for humanity.

And I think that this is an important part of the conversation. It's not about, some reactionary knee jerk, let's get rid of all vaccines forever and ever I'm in, but how can we make vaccines. Safer. How can we provide informed consent? How can we make them even more effective? These are questions that we really need to ask and when are they appropriate and when may they not be appropriate?

And the answer is, there may be certain people, certain children that they are appropriate for and others that they're not. And that's okay. It's okay in a world where vaccine choices are being driven by science and medicine and individualized personalized care versus the bottom line of the vaccine manufacturers, which is the current state of affairs, right?

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. And what if that law changed? What if these vaccine, these pharmaceutical companies were liable, for injury and for death? [00:07:00] 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right? Like 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: How would things change then? 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, I think you'd get a lot safer vaccines, first of all. And maybe fewer, which may be okay because the idea would be only if it's truly safe and effective would we even allow it to come out.

Right. And I think that's, if we let the market decide these things, I think that, if there's clear data that everybody agrees is, unimpeachable, then why would that not be something that everyone gets on board with? It just seems to make sense to me. I don't really understand why anybody would, if the science is solid, if the science is there, it's done in an impeccable, unimpeachable way.

And showing that the vaccines that would then emerge from such a system are truly a. Safe and effective. You may still have a few people that are holding out, but I think that by and large you'd see a lot less vaccine skepticism. And frankly, I think you'd see a lot fewer vaccine [00:08:00] injuries as well.

So it'd be a win-win. 

Pharmaceutical Industry Critique

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But, industries exist to make profit for their shareholders. Let's just be straight about that. Their goal is not to, optimize your health and wellbeing as an individual. Their goal is to make money. And so, this is the main reason why, if I were made president tomorrow, I would socialize the entire industry.

I don't think it makes sense to have a for-profit industry that is that is tasked with the health and wellbeing of the populace. That doesn't make sense to me because it's not gonna be profitable to go what is in the to provide what is in the best interests of people's health. It will be profitable to give people what they want potentially.

And you could get closer to that. You could approximate that with a true free market system, which is what the, the conservative very technocratic, highly intellectual, conservative economists will [00:09:00] say like, well, if we had a true free market, which by the way, you can't have a true free market without regulation because regulation prevents, cronyism regulation prevents companies from colluding together to push out competitors, to take over the market, to take over the regulatory agencies to take out, to take over the government with contributions such that then they can do whatever they want.

Right? So you need strong regulation to ensure free markets. Which is one of the things that people often misunderstand about the nature of free markets, and even I would say most conservative economists misunderstand about, regulation and about free markets, is that the goal of regulation is actually to ensure a free market.

But anyway, I think that, to me, the pharmaceutical industry has proven it cannot be trusted. We've given it a hundred years to prove that we're wrong and consistently it's proved that we're right, that they're fundamentally corrupt [00:10:00] and corrupted by that profit motive, and they're not truly willing to set aside that and work for the people.

And I think the only way that's ever gonna happen is if we just remove profit from the equation. That's my opinion. Obviously you feel free to disagree. But I think that, and not that there's not corruption in nonprofits, right? And not that there's not corruption in government, because of course there's.

It's rampant, right? But I think that the degree to which people's lives and health have been that profit has been put over people's lives and health is criminal. So that's my view. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I think that's say about that. I think that's that I think especially after what happened from 2020, on still happening, I just, there are still institutions of schooling, that require the covid vaccination and booster.

It's just, it's, that is so criminal given the evidence that we have. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: I think especially after what happened during Covid, it's lifted the veil for a lot more [00:11:00] people, like, people that. Trusted authority, that trusted their pediatricians and their doctors. People are starting to ask questions.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Well, and I think that they should be, and I think that, I just want to clarify one thing, which is that the first thing a lot of people are gonna say when they hear, socialize the pharmaceutical industry is they're gonna think, oh, so now you're gonna put it in control of the corrupt government. And it's like, no, because my hypothetical, my ideal hypothetical was when I'm in control, if I were in control.

Like, so the point is that if I were in control, I would be rooting out the corruption anywhere and everywhere I see it such that it wouldn't be a corrupt government that would be controlling the production of pharmaceuticals. It would be a government that is, has. Multiple redundant [00:12:00] internal mechanisms to reduce and prevent corruption as much as humanly possible.

And you're never gonna get to a hundred percent. I'm not, I don't, I'm not a utopian, but I do think that you can shoot for a hundred percent and you can approximate it. Right? And that's the goal fundamentally of of that whole endeavor. Speaking of human progress right there.

Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Speaking of human progress and, shooting for that a hundred percent. I just wanna take a moment to celebrate the, the nomination of Dr. Casey means that US surgeon in general. Yeah. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: That's, that is promising. That is promising. I'm curious to see what she's able to accomplish. So 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah.

Hopeful. One of my favorite moments when she said that I learned nothing or at Stanford University, about nutrition. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: It's fantastic. Thank you for being so straight. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Well, and unfortunately, it's, higher education right now in general has become so algorithmic and so, profit driven, even to the point where I remember even during the the 2010s, there was the [00:13:00] movement to like, let's put the average, let's collect data on the average income of the graduates of a university and make that data public.

And look, I'm all for making data public. And I have no problem with that idea as a concept, but my problem with it is it focuses on the wrong thing. It's like, well, let's focus on how much money you're able to make with this degree, how much monetary value this degree has versus like, what kind of people.

Are these institutions producing? Are these people ethical? Right? Are they moral people? Are they living ethical, moral lives, contributing to society, making a real difference in the lives of others, making the world a better place? Or are they making more money for the bottom line of some, wall Street Company?

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Or fundamentally, does it provide these people with a sense of self-fulfillment and happiness? 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right? Wellbeing? Yeah. Oh my gosh. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: That wellbeing. Yeah. Mental wellbeing, absolutely. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: [00:14:00] Yeah. That's, that to me, you wanna talk about outcomes. That's the fundamental outcome that you want.

Montessori Education and Wellbeing

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: When I was having this conversation this week with some friend of ours, some friends of ours who are visiting us about Montessori education. It's like, to me, it's not just Montessori is able to produce in six years of Montessori school, an extra year of academic performance. So on average.

Graduates of a of six years in Montessori school have basically have the equivalent academic performance as someone who's been in school a traditional school for seven years, right? That's on average. So, it's also the fact that when you do the longitudinal studies, and again, this is based on a meta-analysis of I think 32 studies, you look, you also see tremendous significant improvements in, versus baseline, versus, public school, just generic traditional schooling.

And there are great public Montessori schools, so I wanted to clarify that. [00:15:00] But on wellbeing, on mental health, like significant statistically significant reductions in, mental illness, mental disease, mental disorders of any kind. Including more mild ones that people struggle with on a daily basis.

Anxiety, depression, the most common ones.

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Just common skyrocketing ones. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. And just like general satisfaction with life is far superior amongst graduates of Montessori programs. So it's really that's the kind of outcomes that we should care about. When you're looking at university, when you're looking at any educational program, to me, I care about outcomes, not just academic outcomes, but also, not just mental health.

Not just mental performance, but also mental health and emotional health. Right. And frankly, spiritual health for that matter. So, yeah. All right. You ready for this? I am. All right. 

Impact of Pausing Childhood Vaccines

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: What would happen to life expectancy if we just, [00:16:00] paused. Childhood vaccines tomorrow. And my view is ultimately not a whole lot because I think you, you may even actually get a slight improvement in long-term all cause mortality with, at most a marginal increase in childhood mortality amongst children with, again, complex chronic conditions.

The only kind of children we saw, for example, who died from Covid were ones with complex chronic diseases multiple comorbidities and who delayed who, who had those and then delayed medical treatment. So it was usually like there's a one two punch, right? It's like you had something preexisting and then you waited to get care, right?

Or you got the wrong kind of care, which is a whole other issue during covid, which we've covered quite a bit. So, why would child first, I would say why, the question I think most people are gonna be asking is why would childhood. Mortality not skyrocket. And that for that you [00:17:00] have to get a little bit into the history.

Historical Trends in Disease Mortality

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You have to get into the claim that is made by the mainstream public health officials that vaccines single handedly saved humanity from deadly childhood illnesses, which really ignores that historical trend that we've talked a little bit about. But I'll mention again now, in disease mortality, mortality from diseases like measles, polio, diptheria, whooping cough, had already plummeted, plummeted.

Really, like if you look at some of the graphs it's dramatic. It's like, like this to the point where it's like, less than 0.1%, less than in, in the case of measles, it was 0.01%. Before the respective vaccines were introduced, and this was due primarily to improvements in sanitation.

You had clean drinking water, toilets that flush water down and, basically clean themselves to some degree, [00:18:00] almost sewage that is kept away from society versus like, horse poop filling the streets a few decades before, right? And huge nutritional advancements, especially vitamin A and vitamin D, which are crucial for immunity, right?

And getting enough protein, which is so dramatically important for, young people especially. But especially for immune function. But really even just for, final adult height and, mental health and any number of other things. Certainly for immunity. And then again, general improvements in medical care and access to antibiotics.

So, let's take the example of a few of these measles, as I mentioned, in the United States, mortality was near zero before, before 1963 when the vaccine was introduced. Polio outbreaks, we've not talked a ton about this, but it's really fascinating. I like really recommend the book, the Moth and the Iron Lung Polio Outbreaks corresponded suspiciously well [00:19:00] to the introduction and spread of neurotoxic pesticides.

For example, the initial outbreak was strongly, associated with the beginning of the use of lead arsenic and then later DDT. And it's the idea is not, oh, it wasn't really polio, it was these pesticides. That's not what we're claiming. The idea here is that the pesticides made the, both the the gut barrier as well as the blood brain barrier more porous, more susceptible to the poliovirus in a way that it hadn't been prior to the introduction of these pesticides.

So if you learn about it, you'll find out exactly what I just said, that Poliovirus had been around for a long time, hadn't really been calling, causing poliomyelitis until we see the introduction of these pesticides. So it's pretty fascinating. It's a little bit of a rabbit hole, but I highly recommend that rabbit hole.

[00:20:00] Diptheria and pertussis. Part of the Tdap are what used to be called the DAP vaccine, both bacterial infections. So again, as long as you get treated early, they respond beautifully to antibiotics. Same with helo and za B, influenza B, same with the bacteria that causes meningitis which is streptococcus meningitis, I believe.

I hope I'm saying that right. Anyway all of these respond beautifully to antibiotics, which in my view really should make vaccines for them obsolete. 

Natural Infection Hypothesis

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So you know that the, there's also this hypothesis, which we learn about in school, which is the natural. Infection hypothesis. And we've talked a little bit about that in the the measles episode where exposure to these diseases builds long-term immunity, which then has secondary future protective benefits.

Right. So, measles exposure, we've talked about how it's correlated with the reduced [00:21:00] risk of cancers, especially in 15 to 65 age range because of the way it modulates the immune response. And basically we think it probably helps the body find and fight cancer more easily. Natural chickenpox infection, we've talked about how that can reduce not only the risk of shingles and getting re-exposed to it reduces your risk of getting shingles as an adult but also reduces your glioma risk.

I already mentioned that, but the vaccine induced immunity wanes and then you either have to get a booster or you have to. Ideally get exposed to someone who's got shingles or has chicken box and then breastfed. Infants of measles recovered mothers actually get strong natural passive immunity, which is far more predictive than vaccine induced immunity.

And so what's interesting about that is if we, instead of. Encouraging, early childhood vaccination with aluminum ca containing vaccines, promoted prolonged [00:22:00] breastfeeding, and gave women the space and the accommodation and the remuneration perhaps to focus on that. I think the long-term beneficial effects on society would be profound.

So, and then I also think that there's also just people who, for whatever reason, biological or logistical, have struggled with that. And I think we need to encourage more milk banks and milk banking and the availability of breast milk. Because even if you're not getting it from your own mother, it's still better than any kind of formula that exists.

And there are milk banks, but there should be more and it should be more readily available. So, I be, for all those reasons, it just doesn't, it doesn't check out to me this idea that removing childhood vaccinations are gonna result in some deadly wave of childhood deaths. Instead, it is more likely that it will restore the natural order of stronger lifelong immunity and quite likely improving all cause mortality over the entire lifespan.

[00:23:00] Now, and I wanted to add to that, a funny statistic that I heard this morning. I was listening to a podcast with Ryan. It might have been a Rogan episode, but the the claim was made that it was just shy of 4%, but I'm gonna round up to 4%, that only 4% of the life expectancy improvements that have occurred over the last century can be directly attributed to medical advancements, doctors basically.

So I said to him, son if I and the rest of all the doctors disappeared tomorrow, we may lose four out of every hundred people. But, at the end of the day, it's like tragic deaths for sure, but like, not a ton really. Not a ton. And that's over the entire lifespan, not just looking at childhood.

So, I don't wanna diminish that it would be a lot of people, but it wouldn't be as a percentage of the overall population, it would still be pretty small. For as much credit as we give modern medicine for saving so many people's lives, [00:24:00] it's really, we save 4%,

Mrs. Madi Partovi: wait. And really, how much credit are we giving modern medicine when the state of America's health is the way that it is, you 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: know?

Well that's the, and that's a very good counter argument, which is say, okay, but that 4% that are being saved by antibiotics and surgery, how many people, by having a system that depends on drugs and surgery as the form of medicine, have we actually doomed to chronic disease? You could make an argument a lot more than 4%.

Right. Probably closer to 60% plus. Right. And that's a, that is a, that is fantastic pushback. So I like that. So next I wanted to talk a little bit about how is it that we really can control infectious disease? Obviously it's not just through vaccines. But did you have anything else you wanted to say before that?

No. Okay. 

Herd Immunity and Vaccine Efficacy

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, we've talked in the vaccine space, there's a lot of talk about herd immunity and herd immunity. I gotta be honest with you, it's [00:25:00] largely a pharmaceutical industry talking point, rather than some law of science. Because if the vaccines truly created herd immunity, we'd see a few things.

First of all, the Covid Ovid 19 vaccine should have stopped viral transmission. Instead, we saw widespread outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations, and now we actually have evidence. That receiving the covid vaccine prolongs viral clearance on average. And the more doses of the covid vaccine that you got, the longer the time to viral clearance is.

So the longer that the virus stays in your system, the more virus you get exposed to, the more spike protein you get exposed to, which actually increases your risk of long covid. If, again, but if herd immunity was a thing, why would that be the case? The next thing I wanted to bring up was that the famous Disneyland measles outbreak occurred in a fully vaccinated population.

So, you know what happened there? Pertussis outbreaks [00:26:00] routinely occur in highly vaccinated populations, which again, should bring the question if you're paying attention of whether the pertussis vaccine actually may increase susceptibility to colonization. By non pertussis Bordetella species. So there could be bordetella species that are not bordetella pertussis, but they're adjacent and maybe were more susceptible to those.

And those can still create the same symptoms where you have the same kind of pertussis like symptoms, but maybe it's not the borella pertussis bacteria itself, but a closely related bacteria that's causing those symptoms. So maybe we blocked off one type of borella bacteria, but opened ourselves up to other ones because we've created a strong immune response to one.

So we have selective immunity to that one, but maybe opening some other one. So that's been an in interesting area of inquiry. So what ultimately does [00:27:00] reduce transmission. 

Optimizing Health Beyond Vaccines

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Number one, optimize vitamin D levels. We've talked some about that, but it's crucial for immune function, especially in the winter.

In fact there's a great interview with a couple of vitamin D researchers with Brett Weinstein on his podcast, the Dark Horse Podcast, where they talk about how really it's not so much cold, flu and covid season, but rather it's vitamin D deficiency se season. And I think there's, that's, I don't think that's the full picture, but I definitely think that is part of the picture.

Number two, proper nutrition, right? Especially reducing refined sugars, added sugars, ultra processed foods, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics. Those are the low hanging fruit, right hand washing, but again, not with antibiotic soaps because anti antibiotic soaps actually increase. What do you remember?

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Ask the question again. Antibiotic 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: soaps. What are an, what's wrong with antibiotic soaps? 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh, they, they strip the.

The [00:28:00] healthy, 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The good bacteria, right? Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: From, 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: yeah. Which then increases the likelihood that you're gonna have antibiotic resistant bacteria, right? So it actually perpetuates the problem of antibiotic resistance. Also, most of the bacterial removal that comes from soap comes from the actual surfactant capability of the soap.

Which is a perfect segue to number four, avoiding unnecessary antibiotics, which of course, damage the gut flora and impair immune function. And number five. When you have symptoms, it is kind to mask, right, so that you're not coughing all over everyone. Now, what I would say is make sure you're wearing a cloth mask, which you may say, but Dr.

Partovi, you've told us that cloth masks don't work. Cloth masks do not work to protect you from illness, but they do reduce your risk of spreading it when you're coughing and sneezing and blowing your nose, [00:29:00] right? The problem with medical masks is that we know that some of the components of them, and I believe it's the phthalates, increase your lifetime risk of lung cancer.

So that's why I try to minimize my use of medical masks, because I think that they're really, they're, they have long-term negative effects, which I'm not in favor of, but if you have symptoms, it makes a lot of sense to wear cloth masks in factive. I had been in charge, grand Puba, the beginning of Covid, I, knowing the WHO data on masks, I would've, this is what I would've said.

I would've said, look, if you have symptoms, please wear a mask. If you don't have symptoms, don't worry about it. I think that would've probably saved a lot of people's lives and money and businesses and everything else in between. But yeah, mass masking, as we have seen, provides minimal benefit in real world scenarios.

So, my, my call to the public health folks was, if you really care [00:30:00] about reducing disease burden, you should be advocating for these evidence-based health interventions instead of pushing, admittedly liability free, but pharmaceutical products, which, the liability free piece is like.

Surely you should be skeptical of that. It's like, okay, maybe we should think three or four times before we start advocating for liability free products that the, these companies are not gonna be held liable for if they hurt people before we start pushing those things.

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Have I have a little movie going on in my head while you speak?

Go ahead. While you were talking about masks shame on you. Costco and Sprouts. Were kicking a eight month pregnant woman outta your store for not wearing a mask. That was me in 2021. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Well, that's absurd. But the fact of the matter is it's like, what is it what is it that they were afraid that you were gonna spread?

If you don't have symptoms, there's really no risk to anyone [00:31:00] else of you not wearing a mask. The only risk from, someone not wearing a mask is if they do have symptoms. That's why it is polite to wear a mask or just stay home if you do have symptoms. But if you have to go out, if you have symptoms, wear a nice cloth mask.

Yeah, I'm sorry that happened too. I have a little drink here.

So what about long-term health complications? 

Long-term Health Complications of Vaccines

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: What if people were getting more of these childhood illnesses, wouldn't there be more long-term complications you might ask? And here's the problem with that. Modern vaccines are strongly associated with an increase in allergic autoimmune as well as neurodevelopmental disorders.

The only study in the United States that has ever looked at vaccinated children against unvaccinated children, which, got [00:32:00] such a dog pile that they ultimately retracted it, but it's like. Why did they retract it? Why did they, why did it get dog pile? Well, because it threatened billion, a multi-billion dollar vaccine industry, obviously.

Why is that the only study? If that was such a horrible study, why hasn't it been replicated 12 times to show us how, obviously a correct study should be done to evaluate this question. Well, gee, maybe 'cause nobody wants that study done. But that study showed a clear significant increase in neurodevelopmental disorders in the p in the children that were fully vaccinated versus the ones that were unvaccinated.

I forget what the multiplier was, but it was definitely statistically significant and strongly so, and then there was a sw, there was a, I think it was a Swiss study actually, that I remember reading when I was in school that showed, again, looking at. Unvaccinated versus vaccinated groups of kids and the unvaccinated group had far lower levels of allergies, asthma, eczema any kind of atopic condition [00:33:00] autoimmunity compared to the fully vaccinated group.

We know that autoimmune diseases like type one diabetes, which, often the childhood onset of that is within a year or so of the big round of vaccines that kids get around age four. Kids usually get the vaccines that big round prior to kindergarten between four and six.

And we see the onset of childhood diabetes type one diabetes. There's a big spike between like five and seven. It's in the year or so after that big round of vaccines. Coincidence maybe. But I think that if you understand the way vaccines work. And understand the way molecular mimicry works and how it gets triggered by the vaccine antigens.

And, and even if it's not the antigens themselves, even if it's the, an antigen, sorry, the adjuvants that are going along with these antigens, which then are sensitizing us to other proteins in our environment, other antigens from either our [00:34:00] food or from other, environmental exposures, pollen, et cetera.

And then those are the things that are leading to the increased risk of type one diabetes and, rheumatoid arthritis and ju juvenile, rheumatoid arthritis, things like that. It's and even in adults we see multiple sclerosis MS associated with that molecular mimicry phenomenon that we know is induced by vaccine antigens and adjuvants together.

I think that it's. Another indication of why we would see long-term health complications decrease if we didn't have the vaccines. Or at least not the ones we have now. Right? Neural developmental order disorders, including autism, I would say probably especially autism, but, definitely watch our two part autism expose on that have shown a very troubling association with vaccination.

And that's been in studies, like I said, that have been aggressively suppressed. So cancer is the big [00:35:00] question mark. We don't really know the full extent, but it's very possible that the immune dysregulation caused by that excessive immune stimulation that you're getting from vaccination could be contributing to rising cancer rates.

It's also possible that not being able to get the natural infections, like we dealt with in the, we talked about that in the measles episode extensively, that not having that natural infection could actually also be contributing to that immune dysregulation because you don't actually have the opportunity to tone and season and develop the immune system.

And so then it gets distracted reacting to all these allergies, and you see this crazy spike in allergies, which I remember. Allergies are th two response. And we, we see that there's this strong th two response and our immune system has two main modes, right? 

TH1 vs. TH2: Immune System Imbalance

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: TH one, TH two, TH one viruses and cancer, right?

TH two, bacteria and allergies, which do you [00:36:00] think people struggle more with these days? Right? They have, they. Allergies constantly. So you get this overactivation of th two. Meanwhile, people are struggling when it comes to turning back to the th one to deal with viruses and cancer. We haven't seen a deadly bacterial plague recently.

Wonder why? It's not just antibiotics. I promise you it's because our immune system is already hanging out over there in th two land. But we have seen increased rates of problematic viruses as well as problematic cancers. And I think that it's, there is a bi, there is a plausible biological mechanism linking vaccination to that phenomenon.

Natural Infections vs. Vaccinations

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Meanwhile, so we've talked about natural infections. We've talked about how they can prime and strengthen the immune system in ways that this artificial vaccination can't do. Polio, as I mentioned before, I, or I alluded to before, is really not an issue if we just. Eliminate lead, arsenic, pesticides and DDT, which we've done except [00:37:00] incidentally in like the only area of the world where there's still polio, which is in Africa, where they're still using DDT.

So yeah, the real causes, the fundamental underlying causes of many of these modern illnesses, these diseases is not actually the infection, but it's the lifestyle that creates that terrain that gives the infection an opportunity to pop up and cause a problem. It's the immune dysregulation that's created by industrial toxins, including pesticides, processed food, the 10,000 different food ingredients that were allowed in this country versus 400 in Europe.

It's just absurd. And then of course, the pharmaceuticals, including the vaccination, this is really what's underlying the modern chronic disease epidemic. And I think that people are becoming more and more aware of this, and I think that's fantastic.

I'm excited about it, but anything you need to wanna say at this point? 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: No, I had a bit of a monkey mind, or I was a bit distracted when we were talking about the soaps, but I did wanna share that we are [00:38:00] very intentional about what kinds of soaps, the, our family uses. And the boys are trained not to use all those hand sanitizers, that exist everywhere in every establishment.

Yeah. With trickle sand on them. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Not exactly the cleanest ingredients. Right. You can make your own hand sanitizer with like, literally essential oils and alcohol spray. That's the safest kind way to do it. Just put some, some 70 plus percent alcohol, isopropyl alcohol with some, essential oil, maybe some grape grapefruit seed extract, and 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: grapefruit is my favorite. Can you just lemon, can you yeah. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Just mix that up. Spray it on your hands. Rub it together. There you go. It's better than any of those commercial products. Yeah. 

Questioning Vaccine Effectiveness

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So then of course, the question that always gets brought up is like, well, if we eliminated vaccines, it's gonna overwhelm the healthcare system, which of course is based on a lot of faulty assumptions.

The first ones are, the first one, which I think is, huge, is this idea that, [00:39:00] oh, vaccines are just super, super effective. There is effective, as, the people that are selling them claim that they are, which, I think there's considerable evidence. Now, we've talked about covid, we talked about measles, we talked about pertussis, whooping cough.

I think there's, mounting evidence that they're not as effective as the manufacturers claim them to be. It's also based on, again, the second incorrect assumption is that they significantly reduce disease burden, which again, remains unproven. There's no clear indication except I would say in, there's some studies out of third world countries where there's a lot of nutrient deficiency.

And I haven't had a chance to take a look at those. There's some physicians that I trust that I've heard. They say, well, even if you really delve into those studies, there's questions that remain unasked. And, I'm not so sure that the argument of like, well, if you're nutrient deficient, maybe the vaccine is gonna help you more than it's gonna hurt you.

I haven't looked in that. So, I'm still open to being [00:40:00] persuaded one way or the other on that. For sure. I'm still pretty open to being persuaded on anything. If somebody comes with, en enough evidence that is, that I can validate one way or the other. But the trouble is like, people say stuff like, oh, all of the vaccines were subject to pre-licensing safety trials.

And then you read the safety trial, it's like, wait a second, the placebo is not, sodium chloride in a, a syringe. The placebo was the vehicle, like literally all the ingredients of the vaccine minus the antigen that they're wanting to vaccinate you with. So all the toxicity of the vehicle was in the placebo.

That's not a placebo, right? So, placebo has to be inert, has to have no biological effects, obviously. That's hard to do in an injection, but the closest you're probably gonna get is saline. So. That's what they should be doing, but they're not. And then the third faulty assumption is that modern medicine can't handle infectious diseases, which I think is just patently absurd.

I think that modern [00:41:00] medicine, when it's allowed to work the way it's supposed to work, in other words where it's not top down dictated by the government, this is the protocol you must use and if you do anything else, then you are anti-science, right? Which is what they did during COVID if they allow doctors to be doctors, right?

Of the famous slogan that Dr. Corey and Dr. Merrick said during Covid, it is like, let doctors be doctors. Just let us do our thing and we can handle, pretty much any infectious disease. So, look, e especially these diseases like measles, diptheria, whooping cough, already super well controlled prior to mass vaccination, and there's really no compelling evidence whatsoever that suspending vaccination would create mass outbreaks.

If that were the case, then the question would be to ask, okay, well, where are these examples of large scale outbreaks occurring in modern, well-nourished high sanitation populations when vaccines have been temporarily unavailable? And then again the converse of [00:42:00] that is what I said a minute ago about, the pla the one of the few places where polio still is a problem in Africa are places that are still using DDT.

So, this idea that wild polio is still a culprit, I think is just not doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 

Life Expectancy and Public Health

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then, finally just addressing life expectancy for a minute. This whole life expectancy argument, looking at life expectancy in the early 19 hundreds is based on a false premise.

That false premise is that it was just because of infectious disease and that's just not correct. It's it life expectancy in the early 19 hundreds was not low, purely because of infectious disease alone. It was low because you had high infant mortality, which was due to poor sanitation and malnutrition, and that dramatically skewed the averages.

The other thing to keep in mind is medical care for any kind of chronic condition was significantly less advanced. And on top of both of those [00:43:00] things, you had workplace and environmental hazards that are far greater. Sanitation, nutrition, general medical care improvements have done the lion's share of the work and extending life expectancy.

Vaccines, frankly, were simply long for the ride. So this claim that you'll hear that, oh, if we eliminated vaccines, we would immediately lose five to 10 years off of our life expectancy is just. I mean at best it's pure speculation with zero real world evidence to support it. At worst you have to start wondering about, okay, well, but, follow the money.

Right. What is the profit motive of the people saying that? So, my, my view, and I think you would probably agree with me, is that the true drivers of long-term health and lifespan are nutrition, sanitation, avoidance of toxic exposures. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: I do agree with you 'cause I'm sitting here making facial expressions.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. [00:44:00] To and there's those, probably the facial expressions are, say more about that. You're, they're facial expressions to agree with me. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Got it. Okay. I thought you were like exercising your face or like. You were gonna say something about like, well, what about mental health and wellbeing and that impact on lifespan?

Which I would agree with, by the way. Yes. It's certainly not this, again, pharmaceutical industries, liability free products, and I cannot emphasize that enough, liability free. These are products that they have no liability for. If they put toxins in them, if they poison people, if they kill people, there's no coming for them.

We have given them a statutory pass, a free pass, which is insane, so please join me in writing your congresspeople, writing your senators, begging them to revoke this law that was passed.

Parental Concerns and Pediatricians

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And the things that you can immediately do, you know outta the gates question your [00:45:00] pediatrician, there's this mom that's in my sphere.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Or Find a new one. Or find a new one. Probably if they're, yeah, if they're trying to push, the standard CDC schedule on you, find a new one. But go ahead. So 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: there's this mom in my sphere that asked her pediatrician, what the ingredients were in this particular vaccine that she was wanting, like fear-mongering and pushing on her baby.

Her seven month old, six month old baby pediatrician could not answer the question and said, you're gonna find more toxic things in, food supply, so you may as well get her vaccinated. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, a few problems with that. First of all there's a big difference with. So, so then I would say, all right, well here, let me shoot this vaccine over your food doc, and then you eat it, right? If that's what you wanna, if that's the claim you wanna make, which is fine. It's like, Hey, you want to do that?

That's great. Personally, I like to keep the aluminum away from my food whenever possible. But look, I think that if the exposure that you're gonna get through the gut, the [00:46:00] exposure you're gonna get, again, to target that mucosal associated lymphatic tissue is the way that we're meant to be exposed to viral and bacterial antigens.

Not to amount the proper immune response. Not having it bypass all of that and get injected directly into either the tissues or the bloodstream if you do it incorrectly, which apparently, according to Dr. John Campbell, there was significant evidence that a lot of people did it, frankly, pretty incorrectly, and doing it directly into the bloodstream during covid.

So, I. If they're not pulling back on the syringe after they push it in to make sure that they didn't hit a blood vessel, they're doing it wrong. And that goes for all of you who are in the healthcare professions. If you're not pulling back to make sure you didn't hit a blood vessel, you're doing it wrong.

And I'm sure anybody who is a healthcare practitioner watching this show would do it right, if they're doing vaccination at all. But if you are not doing it right, please start doing it right. Did I address that issue of [00:47:00] you're gonna have more likely to have more toxins in your food? 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think that, yeah.

You 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: know, to be specific, the doctor, the pediatrician said, if you're not eating holistically, then you know you're gonna find a lot more toxins in your foods.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And this mom in particular is holistically minded. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, that's great. And frankly, I wouldn't want the toxins that are in most people's food injected directly into my body either.

Yeah, no, thank you. Right. Just so we're clear I'm gonna pass on that. So, in some the idea that suspending childhood vaccinations is gonna result in this big catastrophe is a pharmaceutical industry fantasy, and it's used to justify the continuation of a very profitable, very liability free product line.

And the real world lived data suggests that childhood mortality waring low. Long, long-term health outcomes might actually improve chronic disease. Infectious disease outbreaks would be minimal in a well-nourished, well sanitized population, [00:48:00] which I think we've finally achieved after many millennia.

And life expectancy, frankly, would remain stable or even increase. If proper nutrition and public health measures were prioritized. So again, that's the big piece. We have to get the diet cleaned up. I think that's why RFK Junior is starting there. It's like, let's get the nutrition cleaned up first and then we'll have the groundwork.

We'll have the foundation in place to be able to pull out some of the vaccination and still maintain the healthy outcomes. It's a genius plan. So like for those in the realm of the MAHA world, the make America healthy again world who are like, why isn't he going straight for vaccines?

It's like, because the man has a plan, right? There's lot, there is method to his madness. You have to get people replete with nutrients. You have to remove the toxins from the food supply first so that when you back off on the vaccination, you don't get a massive surge in infectious disease. It makes perfect sense to me.

Hopefully it's making more and more sense to you. [00:49:00] So, but yeah, if we prioritize proper nutrition, we prioritize pub, true public health measures we're not gonna see that life expectancy do anything more than increase. Worst case scenario probably would stay the same, but, so yeah.

At the end of the day, vaccines are, they're an industry, not a panacea, and they definitely do not deserve this unquestioned reverence that you see from so many circles when history shows that true public health advancements were clean water, proper nutrition, sanitation.

Yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. So I want to acknowledge all the parents, all the moms and dads, who are doing the critical thinking, who are asking questions, who are really being the first line of, protection for their children. And for having the courage and the bravery, to really s stand up, to what you once regarded as a really trusted [00:50:00] authority.

Yeah. That takes a lot. It really does. And there are options and resources for you which I do wanna cover on this episode because No yeah. Cheryl asked about, let me be, she so I'd love to hear about any or all of these topics. The history of vaccines in the pharmaceutical industry, the evolution of vaccine schedules have metal content resources for parents who wanna know more about non-traditional routes.

So I think we over the. Measles episode and vaccinations and autism episode. We covered most of those questions, 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: especially the va the vaccination and autism episode. We covered the history we covered. I don't recall which episode it was that we talked about the evolution of the schedule, but I know that in at least one of the episodes episode I showed the picture from CHDI mean, I can go ahead and show that again real quick.

I'm totally open to doing that. Yeah, this is such a great graphic [00:51:00] because it's really more of a chart, but this is the CDC recommended schedule. And this is from children's health defense.org, September 5th, 2019. CDC, recommended vaccine Schedule 1986 versus 2019. And you can see 1986, which is when the law was passed to make vaccines liability free, there were a total of 12 shots, 25 antigens, eight diseases total. Now, that's well this is 2019, which is pre covid, VID 54 shots, 70 antigens 16 diseases.

My understanding is that's actually gone up now to 74 shots, and I don't recall how many antigens I, it's, I think it could be over a hundred, but I don't quote me on that. And definitely more than 16 diseases. So. Been a huge expansion in the [00:52:00] schedule. And what's fascinating is that when you start to see that autism rate really climb is like three years after it's like 1989, right?

So that's like, when you would expect to see if you, 'cause autism is typically diagnosed around age three, right? Do two or three. So, yeah. Interesting. Right. So, 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: so o other resources? 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Other resources. Was that was the last part of her question. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

Resources for Informed Decisions

Mrs. Madi Partovi: For parents that are interested in non-traditional routes I, so I recommend, highly recommend visiting the website, just the inserts.

Alexandra is, has provided so much comprehensive information. She's also on Instagram, so just the inserts. And then reading, so 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: that, that site is just like JUST, Uhhuh v and then inserts, I-N-S-E-R-T-S. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Correct. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And reading the book 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: and it's a reference [00:53:00] to the inserts and the vaccine Yes.

Box, right? 

Okay. Got it. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah you'll see every single one you'll be able to research every single one. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, that's great. I used to go over those with my patients who came in for vaccine counseling. We would actually, and then also the CDC publishes vaccine information sheets that you're supposed to go over with the patient before you do the vaccination.

So they have informed consent. Nobody's doing this anymore, but it's funny, whenever I would do that and go over with a patient, they would, to a person choose not to get vaccinated, so. It's ironic. It's like the more informed you are, I think really like skepticism of vaccines is.

Directly proportional to how informed you are about vaccines. Like, the more informed you are, the more skeptical you become, the less informed you are about what's in them and what the ingredients are and what they do and what the studies show. The more like, oh yeah, vaccines are safe and effective.

Safe and effective. Yeah. [00:54:00] So 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: in instead of operating out of fear, I invite you to come from a place of ease and calm and ask the questions. And here's another resource. She has a book called Well Considered. It's a handbook for making informed medical Decisions. I also invite you to read turtles all the way down Vaccine Science and Myth.

That one will blow your mind, just the first, few chapters and you're pulling up another resource. Right? 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. I was gonna make a couple suggestions. But Suzanne Humphrey's book, Dr. Suzanne Humphrey's book, A dissolving illusions is another good one, especially if you're interested in like, the history of how this all went down.

Looking to see how we got from the early 19 hundreds where we had, famine, poverty, filth, eugenics doctrine. There was a whole, it's really fascinating the history of it. So if you're interested in the history of how we got here if you're interested more in [00:55:00] like, the history of the corruption of the medical industry there's a book called it's called Rockefeller's Medicine Men, and it's the story of how rock Yeah.

Rockefeller Medicine Men. And that's the story of how medicine went from basically your doctor trying to figure out what to would help you and your individual health to making medicine and industry that was like a for-profit industry capitalist. Yeah. Can start 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: there if you wanna, if you want, the.

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: how it started to come about. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, and be careful on turtles all the way down, because I've heard that there are, and let's take a look at this because I wanna, we'll actually, so for those who are on YouTube, we'll be able to see what I'm doing. So we'll look at Amazon here. You're 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: sharing, right?

Okay. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I am sharing. So Turtles all the way down. I heard that there is, there's 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: another book called that, but there are two 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: books. So I'm actually looking to see, so this is the one [00:56:00] that, yeah. Mary Holland, jd This is the correct one. And it really gets into the story such that, it's one of those books that you can't read, you can't unread.

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Correct. And it is not The Turtles all the way down by John Green. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. It's not that one. Trying to see if there's the other one. I heard there was like a pro-vaccine book. Really? That was called Turtles all the way down, that they actually like published it. But I don't know, I don't see that one right now.

Yeah, I'm actually, yeah, I was, I'm curious about that.

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Tricky of them. Well, I 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: don't, but that's true. Well, I don't know that's true, so let's just take a look here. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, I'm 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: not really seeing it, so.[00:57:00] 

Okay. Well, maybe not, I don't know. That's a rumor I heard, so. Okay. Alright. I can't find that one. So if there is a copycat book, then I can't find it. So Yeah, at least not with a quick Amazon search. So yeah, other resources. I mentioned Moth and the Iron Lung children's Health Defense if you live in Texas, Texans for Vaccine Choice oh, physicians for Informed Consent is an excellent site.

My I have a colleague I'll just share this. So if you go to naturopathic pediatrics.com the this was done. So this website is done by a colleague of mine, 

 so this is meant to be like a resource for naturopathic pediatrics in general. But this self-paced online course. I would say [00:58:00] this is probably the most unbiased course about vaccines and vaccination that I've been able to find.

And it's, yeah, Erica Beck, she's a naturopathic physician. She's the one who was the founder of this website. And the comment that she made is that she really started out to to try to get the, get to the truth of this. But then she said that the more research she did, the more she became skeptical of vaccines and vaccination.

But that being said, she says here, I love this line. It says vaccines. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Everybody can see this, right? 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yes. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. Well, those on YouTube but there's a porcupine with glasses on standing next to a stop sign with his hands on his hips. Vaccines are a touchy subject.

Do not buy this course if you are not able to have an honest, kind, open and thoughtful discussion about vaccines. If you have a very strong opinions or if you have [00:59:00] very strong opinions about vaccines already, this is probably not the course for you. Please do not buy it. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right? I love that. Please do not buy it because it shows you like she's really only interested in information she's not interested in, getting your money at the expense of your health or anything else, or your sanity or whatever. So yeah, so that's vaccines demystified. That's, if you want a truly unbiased, someone who doesn't profit one way or the other, that's a good, really good course that you can take.

And I think it's like $99, I wanna say. She may have upped the price slightly, I don't know. But that's what it was last time I checked. I already closed it. But yeah, I'm trying to think if there's any other resources that I think are really great. I think that's, Dr. Sears', all of Dr.

Sears' books on attachment parenting, the baby book, the vaccine book, and frankly he takes a very moderate approach. He's like, oh, here are the risks, here are the benefits, potentially. Here's what you could do to space them out. He presents you with a lot of options. And then, you choose, and there's other [01:00:00] good books out there.

I wouldn't limit yourself to the ones we've talked to about, but those are the ones that I think are the most current. More recent ones that are, pretty well done. Anything else on that? 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. Well, no. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. No. As we wrap up, I can absolutely be complete with this topic, I think.

Yes. Well, I did wanna say this. We, I still wanna get into the question of which vaccines actually reduce the risk of all cause mortality? Which ones actually help you live longer and extend your lifespan? But we're not gonna go straight to that. Oh my gosh. We're gonna take a break.

Yes. Because we're vaccined up and vaccine that at this point. And we really wanna take a break from this topic. We will come back to that eventually, but right now we're interested in talking about something completely different. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. It's funny 'cause it has some of our friends or one beloved friend say to me, I.

I'm halfway through the measles podcast. You're an [01:01:00] angel for how much patience you have. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, that's one of the big problems with these is like, it's a lot of me talking, 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: well, this is the thing, so I wanna acknowledge myself. I acknowledge not only for patients, but also for the training and development over the years of masterful listening, because and I think it's really attributed to my overall health and wellness, to be able to concentrate and to masterfully listen.

Except for the soap moment, where it's distracted by the dog barking. But it, it takes that kind of intentional listening, to really, okay how am I going to respond, to you or to share, my my thoughts on this. And you are absolutely the expert, and. And I'm a mother and I'm a practice manager of a medical practice, Aspen Wellness Institute. And for myself I practice so many things that are dedicated to and [01:02:00] committed to optimizing my health and wellness. I'm on a very committed genotype diet. I take my nutraceuticals, my food derived medicine every day whether she wants 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: to or not.

Right. I'll acknow you for all those things. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. I move my body intentionally. I exercise 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: more than me. That's not saying much. I'm my own worst patient. I'll leave it at that, 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: that, that will transform husband. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Oh yeah. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. So, so there, there is a kind of how do you say, I.

This unique perspective that I have

to contribute to the world and to moms and dads, and to children. All right. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, and I acknowledge you for holding the space, and I acknowledge you for also being the representative of each and every one of those people here with me. Yeah.[01:03:00] 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: Thank you for tuning into this episode of The Partovi Effect. 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I am Mrs. Maddie Partovi, 

Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: be well.