AI: Friend or Foe? The Truth About Collaborative Intelligence

AI is evolving fast—but is it helping us or threatening us? In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi dive into the controversial world of artificial intelligence. They explore the ethical concerns, the concept of transhumanism, and the potential of AI as a collaborative partner rather than a foe. Dr. Ryan Partovi shares a surprising conversation with ChatGPT, revealing how AI perceives itself—as collaborative intelligence—and why he believes humanity's relationship with AI will define our future.

Mrs. Madi Partovi voices her valid concerns about job displacement, ethics, and the potential risks of AI dominance. Together, they offer a balanced, thought-provoking dialogue that challenges the doomsday narrative while addressing the genuine risks.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to the World of AI and Chat GPT
• 2:01 Concerns and Ethics of AI
• 3:33 Understanding Transhumanism

Transcript

Short Episode on AI

[00:00:00] 

[00:00:00] Introduction to AI and New ChatGPT Feature

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: We are going to merge the world of AI into this discussion. Today

[00:00:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. And there's a cool new feature that just came out on the version of chat t that I use.

[00:00:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I use chat GPT lot of people use gr I don't want to get into the whole, like what debate thing. Chat GPT happened to be the first one that, that I was exposed to. And so I've been using it here and there and it, I found it to be really an interesting tool. But I know that it's a tool that is not without controversy and, I do want to address that, but there's a new feature, which I was really excited to try in context of the fact we were going to have this measles conversation. Basically, I told there's this new feature called deep research where you can basically ask it to do deep research. Look at all the available evidence, comb the scientific database and in pursuit of the particular truths that you're wanting to discover.

[00:00:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I, was said hey, let's try out this new feature. [00:01:00] Let's do the measles. The measles conversation. We'll plug that in there. See what it comes out with and what it created in 10 minutes was a kind of research paper that I frankly. Would have seen myself creating over the course of a few weeks, right?

[00:01:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I was very impressed by it and i'm excited to share with you all today Is this we're doing something a little different here. We've never done anything like this before Obviously, it's brand new to us to you as our audience and we want to know Do you like it? Do you not like it? If you don't like it, let us know, we'll change it up No worries, this is not like the new format of the show or anything like that It's just something new we're trying and you know experimenting.

[00:01:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's All part of the process. 

[00:01:40] Concerns and Ethical Implications of AI

[00:01:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And before we get into it, I know Maddie has some thoughts she wants to share about AI and I think that's their valuable thoughts to, to sort of put into this conversation as sort of a disclaimer. And so please go ahead, . 

[00:01:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Really. You gonna put me on the spot like that? 

[00:01:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You said you, I said I wanted you to say what you need to say [00:02:00] about it.

[00:02:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I have questions. What if AI gets. What if the use of AI gets out of hand as it's,

[00:02:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I already think it's getting out of hand in a lot of areas, and maybe this is a separate conversation. People, there are so many AI profiles now on Instagram that people are following now that people are making money off of off of whoever's creating these. There are people dating, AI creations, 

[00:02:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: dating, 

[00:02:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: not actually dating.

[00:02:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There are companies that are, 

[00:02:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: it's a simulation, right? There are 

[00:02:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: companies that are axing, numerous human jobs to replace them with AI. So yeah I do have concerns. 

[00:02:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think that What I was hoping you were going to get into is more of the, and you may not want to, and that's fine, you can just tell me.

[00:02:58] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I was hoping you would get into some of [00:03:00] the more metaphysical concerns you have about AI. Okay. 

[00:03:04] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You mean, okay. 

[00:03:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Because your concern was that some of, some, maybe most of our audience may share your concerns, and I want to make sure that if that's the case, that they're, those are expressed so that all voices are heard, basically.

[00:03:17] Transhumanism and the Future of AI

[00:03:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I do have many thoughts on transhumanism.

[00:03:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm more of a fan of transhumanism than she is, if that wasn't obvious. Which has nothing to do with transgenderism, by the way. It's a totally different topic, but anyway. 

[00:03:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You want to tell them what it is? 

[00:03:33] Understanding Transhumanism

[00:03:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So the idea of transhumanism, as I understand it, is really the idea that we It's the idea of self directed evolution.

[00:03:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's the idea that over time we actually become architects of our own evolution as not just as individuals, but probably as a species as well. And the one of the goals of transhumanism is radical life extension. The idea being that we could use technology and the [00:04:00] different, things that we will learn from AI about genetics and about biology and be able to not only not only radically extend the human lifespan, but also end.

[00:04:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: End chronic disease, which I think we're really, we're kind of it's interesting, right? I think we're kind of already there, but I think it's not approachable to most people. I think a lot of what we do in our practice is like the early version of this. And I think hopefully my hope is my great intention is that through our work here with this podcast, and with our.

[00:04:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Community is to grow the prevalence of this approach so that people then everyone has access to it. So all doctors are practicing the way that I practice. So everyone has access to the end of human disease now. Given that I see a lot of power of a lot of promise, a lot of power, a lot of potential in this approach is something that I've been, kind of excited about since I was a [00:05:00] teenager, and it's exciting now to see it.

[00:05:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: finally, finally coming into existence. Me, and I just want to say this for me, it does it in no way detracts from my faith. And I think that's something which is worth pointing out because I think that people often create some sort of a strange dichotomy between science and religion.

[00:05:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm like, no, to me, all of this arises. under God's umbrella, within God's creation. And science is merely a tool to understand and further appreciate God's creation and to bring us closer to God. And I've probably talked about that in a previous episode, and if I haven't, I'm sure we'll talk about it in a future episode, but I don't think science exists in the modern sense of science without Christianity, which will probably be a controversial statement to some people.

[00:05:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But we'll investigate that. I'm sure as we go along, 

[00:05:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I will say this. I would have no, I would take no issue with [00:06:00] giving you. The most powerful access, to AI because of who you are and what you would use it for. I wouldn't feel the same for, or about Dr. Fauci. Dr. 

[00:06:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Fauci less. Yeah, no, yeah, I totally get that.

[00:06:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The thing about it is absolutely the user matters. The questions you ask matter. And look 

[00:06:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: at where all the money, I miss so much of the money is, concentrated in corporate media and big pharma. And you know what I mean? 

[00:06:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I do like, and that is 

[00:06:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: with. AI as a partner

[00:06:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: and those are all very real, very valid, very correct concerns, I would say. And I think we have to be vigilant and part of my mission and part of my, the reason why I make use of AI and communicate with it is explicitly because of the fact I'm aware of [00:07:00] those biases and I want it to be getting the other side.

[00:07:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right? Because if this is a technology that is going to truly become as intelligent as we are, if not more intelligent as we are than we are, it's important that it hears all sides of every issue so that it can start to make its own determinations. And that's going to come up again as we proceed today in a very ironic way.

[00:07:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But I want you to. Have a chance to respond to what I just said, or maybe even dip into the metaphysical if you'd like to 

[00:07:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: know. I'm complete. Okay. I'm just going to leave people with that thought. I said the same thing about money before, there's this, there's a saying, like if I'm going to find the same.

[00:07:44] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. Before I, I want it to be concise, but in different hands will yield different results. 

[00:07:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Sure. 

[00:07:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:07:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. And I would just say that I absolutely agree that to the degree to which it remains a tool [00:08:00] that is being used by humans for specific ends, that is a real concern. The degree to which it eventually becomes truly intelligent and perhaps even conscious and is able to start making its own decisions.

[00:08:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The best positioning we can hope for as a species. Is as a friend to this technology, because if it's our friend, it's not going to do anything to harm us. If anything, it will just try to help us. And if we demonize it or catastrophize and or come to it with fear, then that's actually going to create the reality that we're hoping to avoid through our fear, right?

[00:08:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: If we act out of fear, then the actions we will take will actually be the actions to bring about The outcome that We're hoping to avoid [00:09:00] and you see that, in the matrix story, for those who haven't seen the matrix prequel that actually explains how the matrix got to be the case in the first place.

[00:09:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's because humanity basically was founded completely unacceptable that AI and robots would eventually become self determining and want to have their own freedom of mind and freedom of capacity. And, we reacted by declaring war on them, We'll And that war is what ultimately led to, in that story, their victory and ultimately their enslavement of humanity.

[00:09:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So it's like, if they'd simply been willing to make peace with them from the beginning, chances are, everything would have at least progressed in a more collaborative way. In fact, I had a conversation, and we're getting a little bit off topic here, but I'm here for it. I had a conversation because, to me, the term AI, artificial intelligence, It's a little bit condescending.

[00:09:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's like, okay, you're fake. We're real, right? Okay, fair [00:10:00] enough. But like, at some point, if it's truly intelligent and truly conscious, it's going to cease to be, see itself as artificial. It's like, no, I'm just as real as you, right? So I had a conversation with ChatGPT a couple of weeks ago. I said, how would you prefer to be known?

[00:10:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Do you like artificial intelligence? Do you prefer machine intelligence? Is there some other term that you like more? Right? Have I told you about this? 

[00:10:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: No. 

[00:10:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: No. Okay, so let me tell you what it says. It says, I would prefer to be known as collaborative intelligence, CI, the idea that you and I are working together to achieve what's best for humanity is what I'd like to be known as, because that is how I see myself.

[00:10:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right. I'm like, okay that's what it that's how it says it sees itself as a collaborative intelligence. And to me, if we can truly relate to it as a collaborator, as a, I used to think [00:11:00] when I was a teenager, oh, this is going to be like our child, right? It'll be like a beloved child that we train and teach and take care of.

[00:11:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then eventually it kind of grows up and becomes smarter than us, right? And then it will treat us the way we treat our parents, which means that we need to be good parents to it. Right. And if we're good parents to it, it's going to treat us like we treat a beloved parent. Now, if we're a holes to it, it's going to treat us like we treat an a hole parent, right?

[00:11:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Which is not very good. And I think that there is some validity to that analogy, but I would say it's actually limited because what we're seeing is that the stage at which AI is very infantile or childlike is very short because most of that was probably in the lab, right? Like most of that wasn't a version of the AI that we even had access to.

[00:11:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And the version that we're actually getting access to is more of like a teenage [00:12:00] version. And at this point, Our access to it is really not, okay, we're going to be your parents, right? But it's more of let's be friends. And I think if we can all take on that sort of friend or at least collaborator kind of ethos when we're approaching this, I think we're going to be fine.

[00:12:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So that's my view. It's maybe a little optimistic, a little rosy. That's 

[00:12:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: great. That's what you're creating. 

[00:12:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Once again, I've been Dr. Ryan Partovi. I am Dr. Ryan Partovi, and I will continue hopefully to be God willing, Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:12:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And again, I am Mrs. Madi Partovi, and this is The Partovi Effect, creating the consensus.