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Fauci's Pardon and Bernie's Betrayal: Unveiling the Political Underbelly – The Partovi Effect

• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 2 • Episode 22

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In this explosive episode on The Partovi Effect, we uncover why Fauci's pardon is more scandalous than you think, how RFK Jr. could transform health policy, and the shocking truth behind Bernie Sanders' Pharma ties. Get ready for a deep dive that exposes hidden agendas and sparks a fierce debate on health and freedom!"

Join Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI, and Mrs. Madi Partovi as they navigate through complex political landscapes and health issues in today's episode. Uncover insights into Dr. Fauci's recent pardon, RFK Jr.'s rise, and the unexpected political maneuvers of Bernie Sanders. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of politics, health, and personal freedoms. Don't miss out on these crucial discussions that could redefine your perspective on modern medicine and political integrity.

Key Points from this episode:

  •  Discussion on Dr. Fauci's pardon and its implications for science and justice.
  •  RFK Jr.'s potential role as HHS Secretary and the surprising lack of support from fellow Democrats.
  •  Bernie Sanders' financial ties to pharmaceutical companies and the disillusionment it has caused.
  • . The role of conventional vs. natural medicine and the importance of informed health choices.
  • An in-depth look at political disillusionment and the call for a new approach to health and governance.

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 The Partovi Effect

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[00:00:00] Introduction and Fauci's Pardon

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Well folks, we're back in the saddle. And since we last met, Fauci's been pardoned. I didn't think science needed to be pardoned. Now we're going to have to tell our seven year old son that Fauci's never going to jail. He's been asking that since he was five. 

[00:00:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I'm not convinced that Fauci's never going to jail, by the way.

[00:00:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Because they only priorly pardoned him back through 2014. And I think there very likely are things that he did prior to 2014 that are actionable. 

[00:00:29] Toxic Chemicals and Health Awareness

[00:00:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Red number 40. Is outlawed, but you know what?

[00:00:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There's 44, 999 more toxic chemicals to go, so, and I'm sure there's like two to three years, maybe even more, plenty of stock left to poison your kids in the meantime, so don't wait. Hey, don't wait to take charge and reclaim your own health and wellness and do the research and read the labels![00:01:00] 

[00:01:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, for me, that may have been one of the most important things I ever did in my life in terms of my health was switching from basically maybe just reading the nutrition facts to actually reading the ingredients. 

[00:01:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Mm hmm. 

[00:01:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:01:18] RFK Jr. and Political Disappointments

[00:01:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh, you know what else has happened since we last met? RFK Jr. is one step closer to HHS Secretary.

[00:01:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Hear, hear. 

[00:01:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. That's more ayes than nays.

[00:01:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I don't know if we want to talk about this, but I was very disappointed by the fact that not one Democrat supported a man who has literally been a lifelong Democrat. I found that to be really unconscionable. And some of the arguments that I've heard in support of specifically Bernie Sanders were that, you know, supposedly RFK [00:02:00] Jr.

[00:02:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: attacked him for having over 1. 9 million dollars. Received in, I believe it was in a one year period from pharma employees as if, and this was widely lambasted as like, Oh, I can't believe he would attack Bernie for, you know, taking money from pharma workers. You know, these are workers. I'm like, okay, so first of all, You know, are you implying that the workers in an industry do not have a vested interest in that industry sticking around and being successful?

[00:02:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Because I certainly would never think that. You know, to me it seems ludicrous that you wouldn't expect that pharma workers would want pharma to be protected and taken care of. It just seems obvious to me. Anyway, I wrote a letter to Bernie, you know, I was very, I thought it made a very a plea that was really very [00:03:00] targeted to his mindset.

[00:03:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And, you know, I'm not, I'm, I'm not embarrassed to say that I gave a lot of money to Bernie over the years. A lot for me anyway, maybe not a lot for, for everyone, but and I was so disappointed. I regretted I mean, I, I regretted ever giving him a dime. It was like, you know, you are a faker, bud. I got 

[00:03:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: one last thing to say about Bernie.

[00:03:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Go ahead. 

[00:03:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Do you support those onesies? 

[00:03:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We support those onesies, just in case anybody was wondering. Absolutely is my answer, right? 

[00:03:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Absolutely. Hands down. And yes. No 

[00:03:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: vaccines, no problems. No, absolutely. 

[00:03:49] Conventional vs. Natural Medicine

[00:03:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And, and, you know, to me, I mean, look, and we obviously need to, to kind of have more episodes where we kind of develop these ideas some more, but I [00:04:00] mean, my view is that any true progressive medicine is going to be.

[00:04:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: A medicine that is fundamentally of the people and of the people. Medicine is not going to be a corporate medicine. It's not going to be a big pharma medicine. It's not going to be a big hospital medicine. It's going to be medicine, you know, that you put in your mouth every day because it's coming from the land.

[00:04:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's coming from, you know, maybe urge you're growing in your backyard. I mean, literally it's, it's, medicine that is available to us through nature. And so to simply say, well, that's obviously false to me, puts you on the side of the bad guys. You know, not that they're bad guys because obviously the people, the individuals that are There's a lot of people in the conventional medical system that feel stuck there and feel sort of constrained by the nature of the system to practice in a certain way.

[00:04:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And they'd love to be able to, you know, prescribe and recommend [00:05:00] nutraceuticals, natural medicines. You know, botanical herbal medicines, if that was sort of available inside the system as an option, but it's not, so they're sort of stuck with, well, let me try to prescribe you sort of the least noxious drug that I can, given the constraints of the system.

[00:05:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, I, I have a lot of empathy. We have friends that are conventional medical doctors, but I would just say that, it's a, it's a tough position that they're in especially the ones that are working in hospitals and working as part of that, that system, you know, trying to do their best by patients.

[00:05:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm not, you know, I'm not questioning that. I would just say that it's 

[00:05:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Or there's that MD that we do know that launched his own, you know, his own practice and 

[00:05:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, we know several of those, but yeah. 

[00:05:43] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

[00:05:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, that gives 

[00:05:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: people the freedom of choice and doesn't, you know, make them wrong or, you know, the conventional method like 

[00:05:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: well, and we'll, we'll have him on and we'll have other other MDs on, I think, to really talk about some of these issues in more depth, [00:06:00] including the vaccine issue.

[00:06:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Our goal is to really flesh that out fairly, I think, over time, but I think you know, I, I really was very disheartened. That Bernie, who is somebody I kind of, you know, I really looked up to, I think certainly prior to 2020, and, and, you know, consider myself a staunch supporter of, would just completely turn on a dime and embrace so many of the establishment narratives during COVID, you know, the lockdowns, the mandatory masks, the mandatory vaccines, I mean, all of it.

[00:06:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: He just went all in with that to the point where it's like, I mean, you know, Bernie was famous in as being like someone who followed a paleo diet before there was such a thing as a paleo diet, you know, like he's, he was famous as somebody who really took care of his own health and which is why it's.

[00:06:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You know, all the more concerning to me that now he's sort of turned tail, but I think it's obvious when you follow the money that that that's what happened, you [00:07:00] know, and I also think that there's sort of like an embrace of the establishment that that's gone on in his personal career, you know, he likes to basically pretend that he's this anti establishment figure.

[00:07:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But then when the push comes to shove, when rubber meets the road, You know, he bends the knee. He he absolutely goes along and falls in line with the establishment, doesn't really fight, just, you know, even though he knows that they rob him every time of the victory, he just, you know, kowtows, bends the knee and, and supports and endorses.

[00:07:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The establishment candidate, which, you know, to me, a real progressive fighter would probably say, you know what, I'm not going to endorse you because I don't actually think you're the best thing for this country. And I think any establishment candidate is, is bad for this country. And so I'm just going to not.

[00:07:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Endorse anybody this time, maybe, you know so I, you know, to me, when I look back on that and, you know, politics is something that we're committed to addressing on this, this channel that we've not talked about as much yet, but I think [00:08:00] there's a tremendous, you know, the nature of naturopathic medicine, integrative, holistic, natural medicine is that it's fundamentally political, not necessarily partisan.

[00:08:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But what's really upsetting and concerning to me is how it was made a partisan issue over the last four years. And for the first time in the history of our country, as far as I know, it was made a partisan issue because it used to be prior to COVID, prior to really 2016, that you saw kind of an even distribution of about 15 percent on the left, 15 percent on the right of people who we're skeptical about vaccines and supported natural health and all that kind of thing.

[00:08:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then what happened is in 2016, you know, in the process of running for president, Trump expressed some, some I don't know what you would say skepticism or, you know, he asked some questions, frankly, during one of the debates about. Well, you know, maybe there may there's more going on here than perhaps we realize and [00:09:00] we need to do an investigation and that I think immediately, you know, corporate media jumped on that and said, Oh, okay.

[00:09:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: See, Trump is an anti vaxxer. And so then it was like, okay, anybody who didn't want to be associated with Trump immediately just said, well well, I support vaccines, you know, because it was, it was almost like this group thing then emerged out of this polarization that was created. It was manufactured, in my view, by corporate media.

[00:09:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And you know, I mean, it's just it's fascinating to see how medicine has now become this political issue. Where if you have any sympathy at all toward the integrative, holistic medical world, if you have any skepticism about vaccines, if you have any skepticism about the COVID narrative, you are no longer welcome on any portion of the left in this country.

[00:09:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And, you know, we've experienced that, gone through [00:10:00] that, and it's been kind of a journey and a wake up call, and I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but I don't know if that's what you had planned for today. 

[00:10:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: No. 

[00:10:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. 

[00:10:09] Family Life and Bad Guy Songs

[00:10:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Speaking of bad guys, just a look, a little look into our, our family life. Our three year old recently asked his daddy Daddy, what's your favorite bad guy song?

[00:10:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, he's obsessed with, with Green Goblin from Spidey and his amazing friends, which is this, you know, like cartoon Spidey for little kids. And there's this song that Gobby sings called Green Gobby Party. And it's like a, you know, kind of a bad guy song and it's fun. And he and I've been singing it.

[00:10:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And we had a super dad's day, which at his school is where we go. And I play with him at school for about half an hour. And then we take him home for the rest of the day. And I took him out to eat and we had a nice time together. And when it got freezed at press juicery, which is for those who don't know, it's we were not sponsored by them.

[00:10:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We [00:11:00] probably should be, but it's a all natural no paleo vegan. soft serve, essentially. And they have a lot of, you know different berries and almond butter and, you know, dark chocolate chips and a lot of, you know, healthier toppings. And it's basically the only ice cream place we go to which it's not even an ice cream place, but so we went there and he really, he loves that we get an acai bowl and share it.

[00:11:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We had a lovely time, but then he did ask me about, you know, what, what is your bad guy song? Cause he's, he gets that, for example, I've, I've showed him some of the fact that Spider Man gets older. He's not, doesn't stay a kid forever. And there's, you know, more adult type Spider Man content out there. So he's aware of that.

[00:11:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And he calls it my Spidey. He says, daddy, that's daddy Spidey. So I said, okay, fine. So he says, daddy, what's your bad guy song? So I said, well I thought for a minute, I said, you know, the closest thing I can think [00:12:00] of would be the song Confrontation from the Broadway musical Jekyll and Hyde, which is a very passionate song where, you know, Dr.

[00:12:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Jekyll and Mr. Hyde are basically in a, in a conversation or confrontation with each other and, you know, the The actor singer has to basically switch back and forth from being Jekyll and Hyde and for those who have seen it, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. And those who haven't seen it, you should look it up and go listen to it because it's a fantastic song.

[00:12:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And although the David Hasselhoff version is not my favorite He loves that version. But he's very, but I mean, I will say it's the only one that you can get on, on the internet, on YouTube. And so you get, you get a sense of it, but the actual the actual original Broadway recording is my favorite in terms of the musicality and the lyrics and all the rest.

[00:12:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think it's superior for sure. But Hasselhoff does a good job of, of Conveying [00:13:00] the acting portion of it, which is not available for the original Broadway recording on on the Internet that I have found. Anyway, you were you were. I just needed to provide a little context because people are going to be like Jekyll and Hyde 3 year old.

[00:13:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: What? You're exposing your three year old. But you know, there was those old Bugs Bunny cartoons with the, you know, where he had the Jekyll and Hyde and was dealing with all that. And, and you know, so we've kept it at that level. You know, there's a, there's a really cute little Arthur music skit as well that he, he does a Jekyll and Hyde kind of thing.

[00:13:32] Jekyll and Hyde: Human Nature

[00:13:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, but Jekyll and Hyde, Jekyll and Hyde is an exploration fundamentally of the, human nature, right? The fact that we have a light side and a dark side and 

[00:13:47] Mrs. Madi Partovi: our 

[00:13:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: relationship between those two things. And that's something that even a three year old can appreciate, because a three year old is often, you know, indulging his you know, we would say stinkery side.

[00:13:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We wouldn't call it a dark side of the three year old, [00:14:00] but, you know, getting into trouble, using up all my tape. I mean, Call him Mr. Mr. Tape is his bad guy name , because he's constantly getting into our tape and wasting it. I call wasting it. He's using it for his projects, right? He's gotta tape up all of his action figures and stick 'em on the wall, and it's like, I got g I'm like, all right, good Mr.

[00:14:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Tape. So. 

[00:14:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Light side, dark side, and I, my, my point in, in sharing this is 

[00:14:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: that it's 

[00:14:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: so apropos for the times, right, this Jekyll and Hyde that we're all dealing with, and I think with each micro, either micro choice, or micro decision, or each one that leads up to, okay, where are you leaning? You know, are you leaning more towards your, your Hyde complex, or your Dr.

[00:14:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Jekyll? And so that's, that's a question where, you know it's very unique for each [00:15:00] person. 

[00:15:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Say more about that. Like, give me an on the court example. You kept saying micro so many times. I wanted to make a joke about microaggressions, and I just, the time slipped, and there's Anyway, whatever. 

[00:15:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Go ahead. Okay well, do you remember that Dr.

[00:15:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Jordan Peterson episode, where he was, where he had a guest on, and they were discussing you know, with, with each Action or decision and I'm using the word decision to refer to like the Mr. Hyde road because the word decide, you know, the Latin root for genocide and pesticide is to kill off. So with each decision that you make like what Let me pose a hypothetical.

[00:15:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, Dr. Fauci, how many decisions did he have to 

[00:15:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Dr. Fauchless? Maybe that's what we 

[00:15:47] Mrs. Madi Partovi: call him. Bernie Sanders. Okay, how many decisions did they have to make? I don't know if 

[00:15:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I would necessarily put those two in quite the same category. But I mean, you know, with with with Dr. Fauchless, you [00:16:00] have to me a, you know, an individual that is worse than Dr.

[00:16:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Mengele and Tony, I mean, I used to have great respect for the man. It's, it's so, it's so sad. It's so unfortunate. 

[00:16:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There are other powers in play. And Bernie Sanders 

[00:16:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: to me is just like a typical bought and paid for politician at this point. Like I don't, I don't have any more animus towards him as I do that.

[00:16:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I do Lindsey Graham. You know, it's just to me that, oh, you're bought and paid for. Okay. You know, 

[00:16:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: so what I'm saying is that how many decisions did he have to make to get to this point where it, you know, it felt he felt disconnected enough. About what was happening over there, you know, all the people being all, all the people dying, all the people being injured, you know, are we talking 

[00:16:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: about Fauci?

[00:16:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Are we talking about 

[00:16:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Fauci? 

[00:16:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. Cause I was still with Bernie because to me, I'm I, I can get there. I, I'm following you when it comes to Bernie because I get that there [00:17:00] was like a chain of decisions and he made some bad ones at some point. 

[00:17:03] Fauci and Sociopathy

[00:17:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But to me, when I think of Fauci, I just think of basically someone who is probably a psychopath, baby.

[00:17:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Like, I don't think he really has a sense of right and wrong. Or if it is, it's like, It's intellectual. Like, it's like, Oh, I know this concept of right and wrong, but I don't actually, so I don't know if you've heard of Dr. Peterson talk about psychopathy and sociopathy and how there is like 1 to 3 percent of the population that basically don't have the ability to distinguish inherently.

[00:17:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: They don't have that conscience that's like, Oh, this is right. This is wrong. They have to learn from social cues and like, Oh, I shouldn't do that because if I do, I'm going to get my hand slapped. Right? And the problem is, as a society, we've been letting Tony Fauci get away with literal murder for the last, you know, I mean, I probably shouldn't say literal murder on the podcast, but like, you know, the, the, the I would say secondary murder, right?

[00:17:58] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Like, like killing [00:18:00] people through his actions, not directly, right? It's not literal murder in the sense it's not like directly murdering them, but it's like the end result of his actions is these people are dying. And if he had not acted the way he acted, they wouldn't have died. So, you know, call that what you will.

[00:18:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But just to clarify, that's what I mean. I'm not saying he's going out stabbing people with a knife directly with his hand, but I'm saying if he had not sent that money to Wuhan, there's a good chance COVID never would have happened. And if that would, that would have been the case, then obviously millions of people would be alive today that aren't.

[00:18:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, you know, to me, and then if you go back and you look at the HIV thing and the way that he basically, you know, protected Pharma's profits during the HIV, you know, debacle as well, it's like this, this begins to form a pattern, and you know, RFK Jr. has written an entire book on this which is The Real Anthony Fauci, and I think that that's, he lays it all out for us.

[00:18:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And he doesn't, he doesn't attribute any sort of motive or [00:19:00] what's going on between Fauci's ears. I'm doing that. I just want to be, take responsibility for that. I'm the one saying that, you know, I, I think that this guy is probably a psychopath. He's probably a sociopath. And I don't think it's like, oh, I made a bad choice here and then another bad choice.

[00:19:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And now I'm like, I mean, I think you can say that about Bernie, but I don't think you can say that about Fauci. To me, he's just, I don't see any evidence. that at some point Fauci was this upstanding, honorable guy. I, I don't, I'm not seeing that. I think he was good at fooling me into thinking that he was that and fooling a lot of us.

[00:19:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I do feel duped, but sociopaths and psychopaths, which are really. Basically the same thing, but, but, you know, terminology based on slight differences and when someone was trained in, in, in psychology or, or psychiatry predominantly, but yeah, I mean, psychopathy is, is often we see it as early as three years old [00:20:00] and You know, I just I can't say for sure because I wasn't around when Tony Fauci was was three years old, but I just I look at his actions over the course of his career, and I don't see somebody who made poor choices.

[00:20:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I see somebody who was who was who came into it corrupted and brought his corruption with him. I think it's a fundamentally different thing. 

[00:20:21] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. But if you disagree, please disagree. I actually agree. 

[00:20:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay, 

[00:20:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I agree. So we're talking about the Bernie Sanders out there. I'm talking about the Bernie Sanders out there.

[00:20:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Sure. That you're presenting. Or, you know, if we 

[00:20:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: want an example from the Republican Party, we could talk about Bill Cassidy. You know, who's the head of the Human Health and Human Services Committee. He's an M. D., you know. He grew up in the M. D. world. And You know, he experienced people getting what he views as vaccine preventable illnesses and having sequela from that, having consequences from that.

[00:20:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And so he views [00:21:00] vaccines as essential and important and, you know, all the things. So we can represent that there's people on both sides experience that I don't want to, I don't want to rag on, you know, Democrats or, I mean, I've, you know, maybe a little bit, but the point is, is that to me, there's Democrats and, you know, there's.

[00:21:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Where to go with this? 

[00:21:26] Political Disillusionment and Identity Politics

[00:21:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I mean, look, I think I just need to be straight about the fact I've been a registered Democrat for 24 years, but the problem is that the Democrat party has lost its way. And so, you know, where we go from here is an interesting question. And I know that, you know, you have been much more independent in your political views.

[00:21:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I frankly am independent in, in mindset, but to me, the real. Question from the very beginning is,

[00:21:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: has always been [00:22:00] primaries. That's the real election. And my view has always been, if I'm going to find somebody in the primary that I like and I vote for them and you as the party agree with me, then we can have a good time and we'll, I'll vote for him again in the general. That's happened only one time with Obama and I felt duped by that guy too.

[00:22:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, you know, I've had 24 years of getting duped by the democratic party and I'm done with that. So, you know, for me, it's when Bobby Kennedy said it's time to declare independence, that's, you know, that felt right to me. I was moved by that, that, that made sense to me. And you know, I was very disappointed to see who the Democrat party picked as the head of the next.

[00:22:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The new head of the DNC that happened this week as well. I was very disappointed to see it's basically somebody who is, you know, right in line with The kind of cancel culture, the kind of you know, let's [00:23:00] focus on identity politics. We need to double down on identity politics, double down on this sort of, you know, woke religion, which has captured so much of the Democrat party.

[00:23:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I just don't think it's, I don't think it's what's in the best interest of our country because it's going to lock us into a cycle here now for the next. Probably decade plus of you know, just really, frankly, conservative majorities in every aspect of government, which for a lot of our listeners is probably like, Yeah, this is going to be great.

[00:23:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I agree. Some of it is going to be great. I think it's gonna be great for health care, right? It's gonna be great for our medicine. But you know, there's a lot of people who probably are on the lower income side who probably would say, Well, you know, You know, may not be great for me. I don't know.

[00:23:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We're gonna see. Maybe if, you know, there's also the idea that a rising tide lifts all boats. And I think we could absolutely see that. So 

[00:23:55] Mrs. Madi Partovi: let me close the loop on the whole. Yeah, I've been, I've 

[00:23:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: been kind of [00:24:00] dominating this conversation. And Mr. Hyde. Please do. And Bernie Sanders. Please do. Yeah. 

[00:24:05] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I, I posit that, hands down, I bet that Bernie was a different person in the first few thousand dollars that he received from Big Pharma.

[00:24:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, and, and a very different person when he got to nearly 2 million. And also what I'm saying is that we, we each have a responsibility. Like you can either ignore, you know, the, the, the, however, your, your dark side emerges. In your relationship with yourself or your relationship with other people or your relationship with money, you know, have you ever heard the term that money that showers on roses versus.

[00:24:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Like it's a, it's a reflection of who you are. Like the world given to you is the world that's interior. I [00:25:00] 

[00:25:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: don't know. I've never heard of this. 

[00:25:02] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I believe that the more that you see the world as split, you know, there's there's some integration internally, some internal work that needs to be done. 

[00:25:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: What do you mean by split?

[00:25:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: All this divisiveness, you know, left and right, you know, red and blue, all this on, you're on my side or you're not, you know, all of this, all of these families, all of these people cutting off their family 

[00:25:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: members. Hmm.

[00:25:40] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I, I may be, you know, dipping my toe in the whole metaphysical realm, but I do believe that what you, what is how you've experienced the world externally is a reflection of what's going on inside. So if there's division, you know, if you're cut off from your [00:26:00] source. You know, I always, we have a handful of couples that come to us for, for coaching, for guidance and for you know, for, for listening.

[00:26:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I, I always start with, okay, how is your relationship with your source, like your mother and your father start there? What is there to address? What trauma is there to really, really face?

[00:26:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I think that yeah, absolutely. 

[00:26:35] Spirituality and Science

[00:26:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I mean, in our that are fundamentally source even above the parents, of course, is God, you know, and I think that that's really that's missing in a huge portion of the population because they believe they view that a scientific worldview is somehow incompatible with belief in God.

[00:26:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I think that that's ludicrous because I think that the nature of modern science is such that it would not have even developed if people were not if not [00:27:00] for Yeah, absolutely. A. Christianity. B. Specifically the Protestant Reformation making C. Salvation individual which then led to D. How do we get closer to God?

[00:27:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, we can get closer to God. And if it's my responsibility to get closer to God, I need to figure out ways of doing that so that he now we could say, okay, well, how about we get to know the natural world around us? And by understanding the natural world, that's going to get us closer to God and closer to salvation.

[00:27:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So that F now we have the development of the scientific method, which allows us to evaluate nature and understand it on a more. You know, personal basis on a more real basis, and we get to really pick it apart and understand all the little moving parts, which then G gets us closer to God. You know, that was really ironic.

[00:27:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I ended up with a G God. I did not plan that. I promise. That was fucking great. Sorry, but pardon my [00:28:00] French. But basically But I mean, isn't that like a little Godwink in and of itself, right? It's like, how funny, right? And it's like people who just sort of disregard these coincidences. You know, I was telling my son Ryan today on the way to school about Dr.

[00:28:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Jung and the story of the scarab beetle, which, you know, for those who don't know that story, he's talking with a patient who's talking about how he had a dream with a scarab beetle. And Dr. Jung was practicing a place that was 2, 000 miles from the nearest scarab beetles. And then a scarab beetle happens to kind of fly through the air and come and land on his desk.

[00:28:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And he looks at it and he's like, what the heck? And then he says, like this beetle? And the patient's like, yes, exactly. And these kind of coincidences are not replicable. That's why science can't detect them. But to me, those kind of coincidences are some of the best evidence for God. And we don't, we don't want to, you know, but because they're not replicable, they're not replicable.

[00:28:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Science can't see them. And so the irony is we've gone to this place of. [00:29:00] wanting to find God through science, but I think in many ways, science almost shows us, you know, science is like looking at, let's say we can look at this cup, but we can only look at it from this perspective. Right? First of all, and this cup is the created universe, right?

[00:29:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And our ability to see the created universe is to look at this side of the cup. And we can say, okay, well, there seems to be something here that maybe there was some hand that could go through that. And there's some characters here. I wonder what those are from. And there's some letters here. But does this cup tell us anything about the human that created this cup, that made this cup?

[00:29:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: No! I mean, maybe that is a hand, right? Like that's about all you get from it. So you, maybe you look at the little characters and you can see a little more, so maybe this isn't, but pretend it's a white cup, [00:30:00] right? Pretend like there's no little pictures on it. And even then, even if you see the little characters that look humanoid, do you really even, I mean, look, there's some ducks, duck people up here and.

[00:30:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You know, what is this, an elephant or there's a princess here. There's more duck people. The point is you're not necessarily going to know about the lives of an average human by looking, or even the person who made that cup by looking at the cup from that direction. So why do we think that we're going to be able to look at, you know, a portion of the created universe and ascertain the nature of God?

[00:30:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It was a little bit hubristic, right? It's a hubristic project to begin with but we did. And and then people who then, you know, sort of take that to an extreme and idolize it and make, turn it into a religion, scientism I think you've lost the plot because again, you know, science is something that emerged inside of a worldview that was fundamentally religious, which was the Christian worldview.

[00:30:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I mean, you don't see that modern science as a method [00:31:00] evolved under any other worldview, do you? I mean, I don't. Even if you look at the great Islamic physicians of the Middle Ages. There was a lot of assumptions that they made were, which were fundamentally not very scientific. They, but, but there was some good empirical observations that they made but their explanation for how those things work together was a little bit off.

[00:31:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right? So it's kind of interesting, but, but in terms of clinicians, you know, you get sick in the 15th century, you know, you want to be somewhere in the Arab world because those physicians on average would be less likely to bleed you and leach you and all that kind of stuff, just clinically, they were, they were ahead of their time, mostly because they had access to the old Greek and Roman masters.

[00:31:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Master Physicians in a way that the Europeans had lost because of just the Middle Ages and and the failure to continue to copy those works. [00:32:00] Anything else about that topic? I know we kind of Did 

[00:32:04] Mrs. Madi Partovi: what I say make sense? No, you 

[00:32:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: were talking about the spiritual division and I was going to ask you about that.

[00:32:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Don't you think some of that is manufactured? I mean, don't you think that a lot of this division is like top down? They're just trying to keep people at each other's throats, keep people divided? 

[00:32:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. And yes, but it's easy to, it's easy to do that more so to people who are impressionable and haven't really done that work.

[00:32:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Those people are much easier to control and to tell things and tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, until they're told. Until there's no critical thinking left, you know, yeah. 

[00:32:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So let me make sure, let me make sure I got that. So you're saying that basically if you've not sort of gotten complete with your parents, you don't have a [00:33:00] relationship with God, it's easier, you're more susceptible to the kind of external programming that you might experience that is telling you You take 

[00:33:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: on what feels good and you get reactive because You don't really know why, you know, you've just taken something externally on and so you're parroting it and you're saying it.

[00:33:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, there's some people that don't really know why they don't like RFK Jr. when I ask them. 

[00:33:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Mm hmm. Good example. Yeah. 

[00:33:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Have you listened to his podcasts? 

[00:33:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right. 

[00:33:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Have you really done the research on what he, what actions he has actually taken? Like legal actions against these big companies. 

[00:33:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:33:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Have you actually done the research?

[00:33:44] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So there's a lot to clear out. You know, lots of clear out whether you agree whether you like him or not or agree or not, you know, there's there's nuance there, of course, but if somebody is like, Oh, I hate that person, [00:34:00] there's, there's something to take a look at interiorly. There really is, where are you being programmed?

[00:34:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, where are you just that was eloquently said. You know, do you have any division, like, in your own family, like, in your marriage, with your mom and your dad? It usually always starts there.

[00:34:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And how would you deal with that, let's say, if your parents are no longer alive? 

[00:34:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh, there's, there's I 

[00:34:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: mean, I already know the answer. I just want to make sure everybody else knows the answer. 

[00:34:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There are worlds of work that really allow you to, to, to excavate all of that and do a lot of internal investigating.

[00:34:44] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There's, you know, that there's a special kind of therapy, you know, that. There's EMDR, there's IFS, you know, there's inner child healing there's Gottman method yeah, there's, there's so many methods. [00:35:00] 

[00:35:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay, good. 

[00:35:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: That are accessible to the human being, you know, if they are really curious. 

[00:35:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right. Yeah.

[00:35:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I almost wonder if we shouldn't do a whole series on that. If you guys are interested in that, please do comment or, or, you know, let us know. What is the best way to get in touch with us, by the way? 

[00:35:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: All the, our information is in the show notes. You can email us at office at drpartovi. com. You can call. Do 

[00:35:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: we really want people emailing the office though, or the podcast?

[00:35:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We may need to work on that. 

[00:35:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You can call us or text message us, you know, at the number in the 

[00:35:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: show notes. Again, I don't know if that's the best idea, but I'm, I like that you're so open to people contacting us. And I think for now, maybe that does work, but I think in the long run, we need to work on having like an email that's specific for the show and that kind of thing.

[00:35:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So maybe 

[00:35:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you think there's division out there. Look, look within family and marriages first. [00:36:00] You know, look within your own, your own marriage and your relationship with yourself first. 

[00:36:04] Masculine and Feminine Duality

[00:36:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, there's an inherent duality in the universe, I think, you know, between the masculine and the feminine. But I think what people mistake is they think that somehow the masculine or the feminine need to be subordinate to the other.

[00:36:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: That somehow it's like, well, if men are in charge, then we have a patriarchy. And that doesn't work because it's not fair to women. And then if women are in charge, then that means we have a matriarchy. Not fair to men. And then men are emasculated. And, you know, then they're unhappy. And so that they avoid intimacy and they avoid a commitment.

[00:36:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I think we're seeing some of that right now, you know, where sort of the pendulum has sort of swung too far the other way. But I think both of these models. are defunct or, you know, because they don't really deal with the facts of, you know, sort of that ancient Chinese yin and yang model where they're sort of both together, both necessary.

[00:36:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: There's a little bit of the other one inside of each of them. And they're both. [00:37:00] necessary parts of the whole. To me, that model for the, for the universe in terms of the masculine, the feminine, and how that duality plays out is is best encapsulated in that. I haven't really, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about how the God of the, the Bible is very much reflective of.

[00:37:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: That same duality where you have the feminine love, which is the love of Jesus Christ, actually, where everyone is everyone is that that that wants it is saved. Everyone that wants it is welcome. There's that nurturing, you know, bring the Children to me kind of love that that he represents. And there's also the sort of accountability side that more patristic paternal love.

[00:37:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Which is, you see that a lot more in the Old Testament, right? But both sides are part of the same whole. And you see that, and it's reflected also in [00:38:00] Trinitarian theology, which is something we're getting into right now in the adult forum at our church. So, I'm sure that'll, that'll crop up more over the next few months.

[00:38:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But, yeah, I mean, look, I think that some of that is inherent, but how we deal with it is, you know, can differ, can vary. Considerably. Wouldn't you say? 

[00:38:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Absolutely. Yeah. If 

[00:38:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: you see it as like a war and one side has to win, you know, or dominate the other one, right, then I think that's, you're never going to be, that's never going to lead to peace and contentment and fulfillment, I would say, not contentment.

[00:38:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Coming back to 

[00:38:39] Conclusion: Unity and Duality

[00:38:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: the intention of our podcast, you know, is creating the consensus, you know, no matter what we bring, what discussion we bring to the table, may we see the unity and the connectedness that exists between us. Yeah, 

[00:38:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: and the necessity of all people and all sides of an issue, you know, I mean, one of the great things I learned [00:39:00] from Father Jambor, who was our former rector.

[00:39:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: He which is for those who don't know, is like a head pastor. He would say that, look, Both sides are necessary, you know, people who believe one way on the theological issue and the other way, they're all part of the same whole people who are more liberal on people who are more conservative.

[00:39:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: They're both parts necessary parts. Without the liberals, you never get any progress without the conservatives, you sometimes give up things that are actually Core essential parts of civilization. And so, you know, unremitting progress ultimately becomes circular. You end up with stuff that's regressive, which we've seen that in our society right now, where some of the ultra, you know, you get stuff like queers for Palestine, right?

[00:39:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You know, it just doesn't make any sense because if you know how. How LGBT people are treated in Palestine. It's, it's very much well, it's illegal, right? So [00:40:00] it's, you get these sort of ridiculous ideas where. You know, forced gender transition is the capital, world capital for that is Tehran, Iran, because they don't allow LGB people there.

[00:40:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So everybody's a T, right? And that's what a lot of people are wanting to do in this country. And they're seeing it as progress. That's not progress. That's regression. Progress is everybody is, you know, perfect the way they are. They're born. You know, whole perfect to complete, the way God made them to be, and we have to accept them, whether, you know, it's easy for us or hard for us, it's our job to take on accepting them as the way they are and the way they're not.

[00:40:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And that to me is true progress, but if we keep, we keep going with that, we end up back at this sort of regressive place where it's like, you don't fit into the stereotypes, therefore you must be forcibly changed. So I think that that is You know, all inside, all of inside of this conversation about duality [00:41:00] and the importance of making sure that we as human beings respect that, that interplay.

[00:41:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And if you have, oh, I was talking about unremitting progressivism, but if you have unremitting conservatism, if new things change, you know, we have new circumstances that, that develop. We can't pivot and deal with them. If there's only a conservative, we have to keep everything the same. Nothing can change, you know?

[00:41:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Down with the changers in the intimal imitable words of King Friday the 13th. Down with the changers. Well, if that's your mentality and that's all you have to play with, you don't have any ability to adapt to new circumstances. And so that's why both sides are necessary. You need to have that duality.

[00:41:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oneness and not sameness. 

[00:41:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Exactly. Yeah, beautiful.