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Why Everything You Know About Early Childhood Education and Health Is WRONG!

• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 2 • Episode 20

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Are the ways we approach education and health helping or hurting us? In this episode on The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan Partovi, NMD, MIFHI, JD, and Mrs. Madi Partovi uncover surprising truths about what’s shaping our kids’ futures and how we can reclaim our health through personalized choices.

  • Why kids thrive with play-based learning over early academics
  • The hidden impact of daycare on children’s development
  • How artificial intelligence is changing the purpose of education
  • The role of tailored nutrition in reversing chronic conditions
  • Real stories of people transforming their lives through better health

This conversation is for anyone who wants to break free from outdated practices and start living with purpose, clarity, and a renewed sense of what matters.

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Episode 20 NEW NEW The Partovi Effect

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[00:00:00] Welcome to The Partovi Effect

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Hello, welcome to this episode of The Partovi Effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi 

[00:00:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: and I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi

[00:00:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: so on this episode today, 

[00:00:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: we've been talking a lot about health and this is a podcast that's Not just about health, right?

[00:00:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's about education. It's about politics. It's about the intersection of all these different things. You know what matters to people. 

[00:00:22] The Evolution of Early Childhood Education

[00:00:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I think when it comes to education, this is a great segue to beginning a conversation, which I'm going to drop a little seeds here for about education and really what is optimal for Children.

[00:00:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And the reality of the matter is that historically, if you look at it, And I promise I won't talk for too long about this, but historically, if you look at it, children did not go to school until they were six years old. Okay. They stayed at home predominantly with their mother, pretty much being taken care of, watched playing.

[00:00:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: They were playing doing imaginative play with sticks and twigs [00:01:00] and, whatever they could find around the house. getting into trouble, right? And then they developed this amazing thing, which, was probably about roughly a hundred years ago, maybe a little more than that now, called kindergarten, right?

[00:01:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Which was for five year olds. It's like school for, but it was a place where kindergartners, five year olds could come and play. Right? And start to meet each other and get to know each other and have fun before they had to start school the following year. It was a place for kids to play in a supervised way, but still doing the same stuff that they were doing at home, just together and, at a school.

[00:01:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay, no problem. 

[00:01:39] The Impact of Daycare and Early Academics

[00:01:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But then we continue to bring that age younger and younger, and then we develop pre kindergarten and preschool and daycare. Let's be honest, if it's under three, it's daycare, right? And. The studies on daycare show very clearly that when you, two things, first of all, [00:02:00] those children have worse outcomes on pretty much any metric, number one.

[00:02:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Number two kids that are put in daycare, prior to the age of three, which is at age three, it really should be preschool. Under three, the cortisol level spikes, it's very detrimental to the child's, neurological, hormonal, mental development to be away from its mother before right around age three.

[00:02:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So knowing that, what are we doing, right? 

[00:02:29] The Importance of Play-Based Learning

[00:02:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: These schools now offering academic preschool, which is the most insane thing that I have ever heard in terms of education and child development in my life, because All of the studies that have looked at play based preschools versus academic preschools show that in the short term, in the medium term, in the long term, the kids that attend the play based [00:03:00] preschools do significantly better on every metric.

[00:03:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Maybe not early reading, right? But then you also have to look at what is early reading associated with. Okay. Is it associated with a lifelong love of learning and love of reading? No, it turns out it's not. Actually, when you learn to read super, super early, it turns out that you don't typically have as great of a life, a lifelong love of reading as people who learn to read later.

[00:03:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Wonder why that could be right. Really interesting. We should talk more about it. Not right now. The point is that play based is the correct approach from three to six. And when they start first grade, then they can start academics. And we can talk more about the academic piece another time, because again, we're going to get into all the aspects of education.

[00:03:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Don't worry. 

[00:03:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

[00:03:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But I'm just saying specifically, if you're talking about a three year old, four year old, five year old, Even a six year old, I would argue the idea of [00:04:00] diagnosing them with ADHD is absurd because they should not be in an academic environment until at the earliest six years old. By academic, I mean where they're being forced.

[00:04:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Eh, if they have an opportunity for it and they're interested in it, fine. But where they're being forced to learn how to read, how to write, how to do math. In a rigorous way, sit down at your desk, face the teacher, watch what the teacher's writing on the board. All the evidence shows that in terms of especially medium long term outcomes, there's no benefit of that in terms of achievement in terms of not just academic achievement, but also in terms of life success in terms of mental well being as an adult.

[00:04:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: There's detrimental effects of all those things. We've even tracked it out now. I mean, you talk about 20 year longitudinal studies. We can go over some of those studies, but they've been done. 

[00:04:59] Parental Beliefs and College Prep

[00:04:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: What [00:05:00] do you do when it's the parents, that believe that this is the optimal approach, right? Like how do you even make a crack in that, when they're celebrating it on this, this host with hundreds of comments.

[00:05:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. Like, how is it that it just broke my brain a little and my heart? 

[00:05:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I think part of it is that people are still. In this old college prep model, this idea of like, well, if I can get my kid into Harvard, then they'll be set for life. Right. And there's a few problems with that. 

[00:05:30] Artificial Intelligence and Future Jobs

[00:05:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think that the most obvious problem is that with the advent of artificial general intelligence, Oh, I don't know in the next year or two, most of the jobs that require a college degree will be done by a computer.

[00:05:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So the idea that you're, little taught that's four years old is going to go to college. And have a degree, which then they're going to apply in some field, maybe, maybe what they should be focused on is developing creativity, which, by the way, is something that [00:06:00] historically the United States has done better than any other country.

[00:06:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And that's because we don't have as much of this academic preschool, but it's become a fad. It's, a fad in the past few years, this idea of. Oh, I need to go to academic preschool so I can get my kid in the best kindergarten and they can pass all the tests. 

[00:06:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So the landscape is changing very rapidly.

[00:06:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But it's all like on this college prep trajectory. You get what I'm saying, right? And I'm just 

[00:06:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm making an appeal to the parents, the mommies and daddies to really lean in. And listen and do your research.

[00:06:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. 

[00:06:41] Why We Eat What We Eat

[00:06:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So my point was earlier that there are so many things and today we're going to go to battle on the last episode, the last of the series of why we eat what we eat. 

[00:06:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Is it really a battle though? Cause I'm not. I wasn't, I'm not suited up for [00:07:00] war. 

[00:07:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: This is a mind war. Okay. 

[00:07:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Now that I get that, that I can hear.

[00:07:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Absolutely. Yes. 

[00:07:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: The war for your mind and for your children's minds. 

[00:07:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm into that. 

[00:07:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. All right.

[00:07:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So what's next? Well, we're watching both, but what's up doc? Watching bugs buddy the other day with our kids. 

[00:07:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Speedy 

[00:07:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Gonzales and, Sylvester the Cat and Daffy Duck, those old guys. I haven't seen them in years, but I just had the thought of one of them and I put on a couple of those and we're watching it with the boys and they were, they liked it.

[00:07:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I did the reason why I really like Sylvester the Cat and Speedy Gonzales versus like Tom and Jerry. And I know people, a lot of people love Tom and Jerry. I get it, but Tom and Jerry, there's no talking there. It's all visual, right? But there's a lot of like, witty stuff that Speedy Gonzales says, I mean, it's like, [00:08:00] he was a funny guy, I mean, you just got to go back and watch some of those cartoons. It's like, so like, were they making this only for kids? No. The truth of the matter is they were making it for all ages, which, There's not enough of that content out there anymore. But anyway, that was a funny aside.

[00:08:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So why do we eat what we eat? Like what is there? What is there to really make it hit home and like land this plane? 

[00:08:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, so we had talked about the four levels of nutritional understanding. And the fourth level three, because I just like to make things far complex, right? No, I created that specifically and Maddie says, Oh, you should just change it.

[00:08:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I said, no, I have to keep level zero to keep level zero for Bubba and granny. And everybody who thinks that they're an expert at level zero really knows nothing about nutrition, but look At the top level of nutrition understanding, we talked a little bit about it, but really, what does that look like?

[00:08:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: [00:09:00] How does it operate into the practice? How does this look as a patient? I want to talk a little bit about that today. 

[00:09:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Beautiful. So what does it look like? 

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[00:09:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, really, Nutrition, very personalized nutrition, is the foundation of our practice. It's been the foundation of my practice since, really, since my residency, where I did, the first residency in generative medicine, which is the application of computer analysis to personalized medicine ever.

[00:09:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I actually worked with Dr. D'Adamo to create the residency, which then, several other people did after me. But we're using software to collect over 200 variables, and we now actually have the ability to marry it with another software program that can pull in all your genetics, but I'm not going to get into that today.

[00:09:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Today we're going to talk about our core software platform, which is SWAMI, which stands for Serotyping with Advanced Modifying Inventories. No, that will not be on the test, but basically this is the software where we're collecting 200 [00:10:00] variables, genetics, some genetics, not the full genome. Family health history, personal health history, presenting symptoms, biochemical lab data.

[00:10:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: biometrics, which are measurements of the body presenting symptoms. We put all of that into this expert system and it creates an individualized nutrition plan, recipe book, and meal planner, which you can access either directly or through like a nutritionist who can use it to basically plan out using your nutrition plan to plan out, your meals for the week.

[00:10:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So nutrition plan, recipe book, meal planner. For that person where they are right now on their health journey, it's the most advanced form of nutritional personalization that I'm aware of. There was anything that was more advanced. We'd be using that. But anything else you want to say about Swami before we talk about 

[00:10:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Well, I know that it's had a huge impact on me and has [00:11:00] altered the lives of so many of, our patients.

[00:11:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, and So 

[00:11:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: What, whether it is, you're after, Things that will come as a result like weight loss, but it's just that clarity, that living life with real presence and feeling fantastic in your body. It's a right of every human being.

[00:11:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And, to me, people want to know. So, okay, what is that top level of nutritional understanding look like? How do we get there? What does it look like? And, certainly in terms of if you're interested in the science of what it took to create the software. If you're looking at some of the other work beyond blood type that Dr.

[00:11:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Dinamo has done, you can read Change Your Genetic Destiny. That's a great book and where he gets into the epigenetic archetypes, which part of what the software is doing is it's helping us type you out, like discern which of the epigenetic archetypes you fall into. And those archetypes are the six non [00:12:00] overlapping groups, because you can imagine, as Dr DeAnimals started looking at this, he said, Well, maybe we could create 12 different groups.

[00:12:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then he said, No, there's too much overlap. Well, like looking at nine and using the software to say, Okay, well, no, nine still too much overlap. So ultimately, six is where there's not any significant overlap between the different epigenetic archetypes. And ultimately the software gives us a much better ability to really discern.

[00:12:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Which of those groups people fall into. And what's really fascinating about epigenetics, and I first learned about epigenetics from Dr. Diano back in 2005 when he was developing this software. And in fact, I played around at that conference with the first version of the software that we still use in practice today.

[00:12:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think we're like on the fourth version now. But the point is that, we're able to basically using all of this data we're collecting, we're able to impute, to project backwards in the past and look essentially what kind of [00:13:00] environmental exposures has your body experienced from about, in terms of the nutritional environment in your mother's womb body, six months prior to conception, all the way up through to wherever you are today.

[00:13:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And it's basically the cumulative effect, the phenotype, if you remember your basic biology, it's like the product that's been created from that genetic template, given all of those environmental exposures. All along the way and Swami is basically helping us to peel back the layers of that onion and really discern.

[00:13:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay? What all has have you been exposed to along the way that has then brought you to where you are now? And then how can we then get back to that genetic blueprint and understand? Maybe make some changes may do some renovations, right? And that's what most people want to do. They ended up a certain way, and that's not how they wanted to end up.

[00:13:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And so they want to end up in a slightly different place. It's a [00:14:00] fundamentally distinct way of looking at nutrition. That is. As I've said before, light years beyond what anybody else is doing, because we're looking at not just, oh, you have this disease, you have this diagnosis, what kind of set diet should you have, but we're looking at based on your genetics and your epigenetics, the volume control settings on your genes and all these other variables, those variables.

[00:14:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Why is it in your particular case that you ended up with this diagnosis? And how can we go back and alter things in terms of gene expression, turn this gene up, turn this gene down, so that you end up with a different result? So for example, two people may come into my practice with the same diagnosis, say rheumatoid arthritis, right?

[00:14:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But they may leave with a vastly different diagnosis. nutrition plan, a vastly different protocol than somebody with a different blood type, [00:15:00] different epigenetic archetype and a different constitution, essentially, for lack of a better word than the other person. And so because of that the treatment is fundamentally very personalized and very distinct.

[00:15:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Anything else that we should say about 

[00:15:15] Success Stories and Health Transformations

[00:15:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: well, I just want to mention some of the results that happen on the other side of being really coachable and compliant on such a, your DNA, your diet. There was Jen, who conventional doctor said, you are never going to have children. She was obese.

[00:15:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. She had PCOS like a host of her AC one was like super, super high. You worked with her for 13 months. And she lost a lot of weight. She looks great. She got married and she has two children and then there's our beloved Kiki, who was super compliant during her, she makes a vast comparison between her first pregnancy and her second, she was depressed in her first and very inflamed and you [00:16:00] can see it second pregnancy, she took it on.

[00:16:02] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And it was a vastly different experience. She all the inflammation went away. And her experience of pregnancy was just Very light and joyful 

[00:16:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: While you're on pregnancy, 

[00:16:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: One of the trickiest things about pregnancy is people often experience things like nausea, right?

[00:16:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And the problem there is people will say, okay, I'm feeling nauseous. I'm just, I'm going to eat whatever I think I can. Keep down, right? And what they may be doing unwittingly is eating things that are actually then contributing to the nausea the next day, right? And so it becomes even more important, ironically enough, to be compliant with the kinds of nutrition that is going to really match up with your genetics.

[00:16:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: If your goal is to say, minimize the complications of pregnancy and for the women that are able to have the discipline, frankly, because it does require a level of mental discipline that I'm not going to diminish or [00:17:00] minimize, right? But for the women who are able to do that, I think they really typically see some pretty dramatic results and the ones who say, well, I'm gonna eat crackers or I'm gonna eat whatever I can, orange juice and I'm just picking up random foods.

[00:17:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But the point is, just eat what I drink and eat and drink whatever I can keep down. That's actually perpetuating the problem versus kind of short circuiting it, which is 

[00:17:25] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Or take like some Zofran and just eat strawberry ice cream. 

[00:17:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I mean, look, I'm not saying that Zofran can't be helpful in severe cases, but what I would say is the strawberry ice cream definitely isn't helping.

[00:17:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I don't know who you're talking about, but it doesn't matter. Let's not mention their name. Okay. 

[00:17:44] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. So there is Mrs. M who lost like 30 pounds within four months. And at first her husband was like, eh, I ain't doing the program. But then witnessed her transformation, and witness his own decline [00:18:00] and then said, okay, I'm in and he's such a great, oh my gosh, advocate, like asking the all the questions and can I have ghee, can I it's really just incredible.

[00:18:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And then there was Mrs. P. Who was coachable and she, you provided her the access to reverse, the several autoimmune diseases that she was dealing with. Who, yeah, those are really poignant cases. There's so many more, but please go on. 

[00:18:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's pretty much what I need to say on the nutritional front.

[00:18:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I would just say that I think that, um, to me nutrition really is the foundation of the practice and and it always has been as far as I'm concerned, always will be, 

[00:18:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh, what's so brilliant to you about this is that you've handled so many acute cases in the past year.

[00:18:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And you're 

[00:18:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: the best four years, but go ahead. 

[00:18:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes.[00:19:00] 

[00:19:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Maybe it was seen that short to you, but it was a little longer than that for me. 

[00:19:08] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So this is the most brilliant thing that I've witnessed because I'm on all of those texts that are ads. I am within earshot of all of those zoom calls. And while these people are acutely sick. You're focusing on diet and personalized nutrition because you can't be downing Coca Colas, and gluten and, all the host of things that are just not optimal when you're sick.

[00:19:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Excuse me. Yeah. So I mean, 

[00:19:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you provided a key. It's a 

[00:19:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: really good point because I would say that there's even been severe cases of COVID where it wasn't, we got them started on the medications. That they needed the primary FL triple C medications, but it wasn't really until they received the nutraceuticals and started doing the diet.

[00:19:58] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The nutraceuticals being [00:20:00] food derived medicines and started doing the diet that they really started to see the improvement kick in, and I think that's. an essential piece. And I think the nutraceuticals in general are a real catalyst and a real driver, regardless of which direction you're coming.

[00:20:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So if you're coming from highly personalized nutrition, the nutraceuticals are just going to help you experience results that much quicker. If you're coming at it from the drug approach, then yeah, sometimes nutraceuticals can be a bridge. If you have deficiency of different vitamins or minerals or essential fatty acids, then sometimes getting those back on board Nutraceutically can actually help you stick to your diet better.

[00:20:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: How? Well, if your brain is working better, it's easier for you to have discipline. And if it's easier to be disciplined, it's easier to stay on a nutrition plan. Right. Especially if it's something that's. New and it takes at least 90 days minimum to get used to a new way of eating. I would argue an entire year before it [00:21:00] becomes, easy.

[00:21:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Um, I think that but so many people, they take something on for 30 days or even 60 days and then they don't stick with it. And I just, I think that's why, people have unrealistic expectations. It should be 90 days minimum, but really commit to it for a year, I would say.

[00:21:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And this is the thing, when you do that, when you commit to it to 90 days up to a year, you will start reprogramming yourself on a mental level and a cellular, a biochemical, like cellular level to the point where, oh man it resets you. Like it resets your relationship with food and the way that you're consuming food because it's much more mindful, this approach.

[00:21:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, and then, if you eat something outside of the 90 day window that you avoided, You are definitely going to feel the impact, [00:22:00] like, oh, okay, this is the way that my body was burdened before, but this is the way that I can really feel. And you have to be open to it, you have to have that little willingness, to start eliminating things that are not optimal for you.

[00:22:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, because on the other side of it, is something that you have no idea, about, which is like this extra level of aliveness and alacrity. 

[00:22:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Chival readiness. 

[00:22:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, and your relationship with yourself just becomes so what is the word that I'm finding?

[00:22:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Grace and ease. 

[00:22:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, and really present. With yourself and with your body instead of avoiding it instead of medicating in a lot of ways that human humans do You know, I mean, 

[00:22:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm convinced that most people especially if they're dealing with any [00:23:00] kind of health problem in this country are medicating whether they realize it or not on a daily basis with caffeine And, or, things like Advil, aspirin, Tylenol, I mean, those are such commonly taken medications, Aleve, those kinds of things.

[00:23:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I mean, I've known many a patient who just takes those every day doesn't even think about it, just like, oh yeah, that's just, I have pain, so I take them every day. Or alcohol 

[00:23:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: is a big one. 

[00:23:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm tired, so I drink lots of caffeine, I mean, Four, six, eight cups of coffee and alcohol is the other big drug in our society.

[00:23:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: That's true, unfortunately, sometimes combined with Tylenol, which is a bad idea. But yeah, I mean, for people who are dealing with whether it be anxiety, whether it be insomnia, whether it be, 

[00:23:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I mean, there's a whole story of Mom's in the Hamptons, taking opioids and 

[00:23:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: well, but yeah, but that's, those are medications typically prescribed by [00:24:00] doctor.

[00:24:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm talking about people, self medicating, self prescribing, self medicating, and that's what I'm saying is I think the vast majority of our society is so. self medicating on either some sort of over the counter pain medication, alcohol, or caffeine, or some combination of those three. 

[00:24:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Well, being a workaholic, I mean, you can definitely medicate that way.

[00:24:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, yeah, but that's not really what I'm talking about. 

[00:24:21] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. 

[00:24:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I get where you're coming from, but if we're going to go down that road, I mean, there's so many ways, whether it be screens and, video games, whether it be food and, disordered eating in terms of sugar and Definitely workaholism and et cetera, et cetera, but we can go down that rabbit hole, but I'm talking about specifically in terms of substances and medications, essentially, that people are taking, whether they realize them.

[00:24:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I mean, I didn't even have to talk about tobacco and nicotine, but that's, that would be the fourth. 

[00:24:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Some people medicate with sugar. 

[00:24:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, absolutely. So if you want to go beyond the sort of substances and add sugar and then we can get into different behavior patterns [00:25:00] and all of those things can be certainly disordered and problematic.

[00:25:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But I would just say that. I was talking about the substances in particular, and I think that's really a function of their failure to address the core foundation of their health, which is nutrition. I think that if nutrition were properly dealt with, then people could regulate themselves and their emotions and their energy and their mood without having to go to, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, cannabis, And, uh, insets over the counter pain meds.

[00:25:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I I interrupted you to make that point about the acute cases of illness. So what is next on the path? 

[00:25:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, lifestyle change. 

[00:25:50] The Pyramid of Health: Sleep, Nutrition, and Exercise

[00:25:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And that's going to be really addressing, first of all, I have this concept that we use in our practice, which is like the pyramid of health and the pyramid, the foundation of the [00:26:00] pyramid is actually sleep.

[00:26:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And so making sure that you're not only having good sleep quantity, which is seven and a half to nine hours for all adult humans. I think it's less than 1 percent of people actually can thrive at six hours of sleep per day. That's a myth. So if you're getting six hours of sleep per day, there's about a 99.

[00:26:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: 2% six plus percent chance that you're sleep deprived. And seven and a half to nine hours. If you can do, If you're getting that on a daily basis, it also, then there's an issue of sleep quality, which probably we could do a whole podcast on, but it has to do with kind of the way that your body, how quickly you get into sleep, how deep you sleep, how much of that stage four, deep sleep you're getting, how much REM sleep you're getting on the second part of the night, all that kind of stuff.

[00:26:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So sleep really is the foundation of that next level up nutrition. We already talked about that exercise. We could absolutely talk about that [00:27:00] and, obviously depending on fitness levels, depending on genetics, epigenetics, all that stuff, we make very personalized exercise recommendations that is part of the SWAMI software, actually.

[00:27:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The software itself makes exercise recommendations to the patients. And if people need implementation support with that, we can provide recommendations, and we do. 

[00:27:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Did you know there are certain Exercises like HIIT that are not optimal for everybody. 

[00:27:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. So that's a very good example. And certainly like heavy weightlifting really not actually optimal for everyone.

[00:27:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Also. high intensity aerobic exercise, which is what you're getting at when you're talking about high intensity interval training or HIIT, not actually optimal for everyone because it can spike cortisol too much. So, and then there's stuff like yoga and tai chi, and that may not be intense enough for some people, right?

[00:27:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So that's where we get into a lot of that personalization of exercise which is right there [00:28:00] alongside nutrition. And the interesting thing about the way the pyramid works is if the first level is You're going to struggle with the second level. Why is that? Well, for example, with exercise, it's well known that if you don't have enough sleep the night before, your exercise performance goes down.

[00:28:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Your likelihood you're going to injure yourself goes up. And so it may not be the best idea, especially to do a high intensity exercise on a day after which you've gotten insufficient sleep. Similarly, if people who eat less, people who sleep less than six hours a day. Consume an average of at least a hundred additional calories that day after they've gotten less than six hours of sleep.

[00:28:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And it tends to go up in terms of the calorie count, the less sleep you got. And we know that they did this fascinating study where they put two groups of people, one that got a full night of sleep and woke up whenever they were [00:29:00] rested. The other group that got less than five hours, they actually woke them up after five hours.

[00:29:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: little less than five. And then they said they gave them access to an all you can eat buffet with all kinds of different foods throughout the whole day. So they could just go and eat whatever they wanted to. And then they measured what happened. So this is how they came up with this data, showing that in fact, not only did the group that had insufficient sleep eat more calories total, but they also ate more surprise, refined carbohydrates, added sugars, the good stuff, right?

[00:29:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And interestingly enough, even though they had access to it, the people who had a full night of sleep and woke up naturally tended not to eat those things, or at least not as much as the other group. So there's a definite Um, regulatory mechanism there that's inherent in our bodies where, if we're not, if we're not getting enough sleep, we're not [00:30:00] necessarily going to be gravitating toward the right foods.

[00:30:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I've noticed this in myself. It's funny where we will go to a buffet and I will have had not enough sleep the night before, We don't go to phase that often, but we do have one or two that we really like, and I will just tell you that I will notice that I know what I'm supposed to eat at the buffet, but I will notice myself gravitating toward the things like, Oh, maybe I'll have indulge a little bit today and have this, and then I'll remember.

[00:30:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Oh, I didn't have enough sleep last night. That's why I'm doing that. It's so funny, but it's true. If you start to notice these things, and that's a lot about what this information provides for you is access to noticing when. You're not being your best self. Anything else you want to say about either sleep or exercise before we move on to the next, the top tier of the pyramid?

[00:30:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Just that you made a great point. It really uncovers these blind spots. And these blind spots have you operating like, do, throughout life. And when this [00:31:00] veil is lifted, there's a whole world of, possibility and opportunity for your health and your wellness, which is like your health is your well,

[00:31:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Dr Margarita. 

[00:31:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: We love you, Margarita. 

[00:31:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, absolutely. So the top tier of the pyramid also has two parts. And that the two parts are, again, if. The middle tier is not fully in place. 

[00:31:33] The Role of Social Interaction and Play

[00:31:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You haven't, you're not, you're a verse you haven't slapped or B, you haven't nourished your body or C you've not moved your body, then it's going to be more tricky to put in this top tier, but the top tier is really provides the full triangle and that's going to be social interaction.

[00:31:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Personally, I like combining the two. Big with my friends, I enjoy doing, like, online gaming. So we get to do [00:32:00] fun and play, and we socially interact while we're fun doing the fun and play. But it's very important for humans to have some sort of an outlet. Of play where there's not necessarily having to achieve any objective.

[00:32:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: They're not necessarily having to produce any results. They're just being playful. They're being fun, right? They're having a good time. And at the end of it, whatever they did or didn't do, whatever they achieved or didn't achieve it, it has, it doesn't matter. Right. That is. Absolutely. Part of the wellness triangle and then social interaction as well.

[00:32:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: We're social animals. We're social creatures and it is isolation. Loneliness are some of the biggest health risks. We see that in elderly. We see that in widows and widowers, they have higher risk of pretty much every disease and even all cause mortality and a risk of death.

[00:32:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So, 

[00:32:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: The community aspect of this plan is so powerful. 

[00:32:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Oh yeah, that's a good point. 

[00:32:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So, so powerful. [00:33:00] 

[00:33:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And a lot of people, people don't think about that or they think, Oh, I don't really want to share my health issues with, other people, but it's like, these are people, first of all, that you will never meet in real life.

[00:33:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Is there people from all over the country and many of them who are dealing with the same things you're dealing with and it's an opportunity to be connected to them. And the other thing I would just mention, which I try to explain to people as I say, look, even if you just come on the calls and you're there and you listen and you say, hi, but I don't have any questions today, but I'm just going to listen.

[00:33:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You get so much out of the call and we get that feedback over and over and over again. People say, I'm so glad I was on the call. I didn't have any questions. But it turns out I actually got the answers to questions I didn't even know I had. And that's really what what we find over and over again.

[00:33:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But it's also that opportunity to be connected to other people who are on the same journey, on the same path, dealing with the same thing. And at that same point in their life where they're really ready to take on their health and wellbeing. 

[00:33:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. And that kind of connection [00:34:00] and openness and authenticity.

[00:34:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: is healing in itself. 

[00:34:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Did you want to talk about any more about and I would say, kind of part of what comes out of those community calls and specifically with regard to the the program that we're introducing there's going to be a specific element to that is going to be community driven, that will address a lot of the underlying.

[00:34:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: either blind spots or barriers, things that are in your way that you don't necessarily know are in your way. And how to identify them first and then clear them out so that then you can actually achieve whatever result you're out to achieve for your health and well being. 

[00:34:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. And we're going to address it on [00:35:00] several levels, not only biochemically, but mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

[00:35:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay, great. That sounds fun. I'm looking forward to it. Anything else you want to say about either fun and play about. Social interaction or about mindset and what's 

[00:35:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: that quote that you find out more about a person through one hour of play, then like 

[00:35:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: a lifetime of work. I don't know. I'm just, I'm guessing about, I'm guessing.

[00:35:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I don't actually know this one, but I like it.

[00:35:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So it's about watching them play versus watching them work. Oh, no versus watch watching them play versus watch versus talking to them. 

[00:35:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, 

[00:35:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: right. Because the person is giving the opportunity to observe them versus. them telling you about [00:36:00] them, right? It's like, we can have a conversation about something that we're both passionate about and you're going to learn more about me through that than if I were to give you a lecture about Dr.

[00:36:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Ryan Partovi. 

[00:36:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

[00:36:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Right. Yeah. Makes sense. 

[00:36:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

[00:36:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: My friend Mary used to say something along those lines actually. 

[00:36:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Discover more about a person in an hour play than in a year of conversations. That's 

[00:36:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: close. Right. Yes. 

[00:36:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Play doh. Play doh. 

[00:36:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Oh that sounds like it could be play doh for sure. 

[00:36:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. What's next? 

[00:36:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So just in terms of, what it really looks like implementing it clinically in our practice, we start with very personalized nutrition, lifestyle change, really addressing all the elements of the triangle.

[00:36:49] Nutraceuticals and Environmental Toxins

[00:36:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Then we move on to nutraceuticals, food derived medicines. We've talked a bit about those. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about nutraceuticals? Nutraceuticals.[00:37:00] 

[00:37:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Nutraceuticals? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's been 15, 000 chemicals that have been introduced into our, food supply and our soil and the chemicals that are used. 

[00:37:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think you're low balling it. I want to say it's at least 45, 000 since the end of World War II. 

[00:37:25] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Really? 

[00:37:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Possibly more. Yeah. Into our environment generally.

[00:37:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I don't know about soil, but I know that into our environment generally. 

[00:37:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. I 

[00:37:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: believe it's over 45, 000 and I've heard numbers even higher than that. So, yeah. 

[00:37:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yikes. 

[00:37:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. So, I mean, what you're pointing to there is the fact that, excuse me, with all these increased toxic exposures, our liver then has so much more to deal with, right?

[00:37:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And yet we have a food supply that is. Inherently deficient. Why is it deficient? Well, because [00:38:00] we're no longer using traditional farming practices. We're no longer letting fields life aloe, tilling under, using crop rotation, using manure as fertilizer. All of the traditional elements. That Dr. Ross Hume Hall wrote in his his epic tome, Food for Not, which I thought was a very clever name, but he wrote that book back in the 1970s, and it basically detailed how these factory farming processes that rely on nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus just to make basically large vegetables because it helps them grow, but it doesn't actually Make sure that they're able to get the nutrients they need.

[00:38:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then meanwhile, you have these horrible farming practices that allow so much runoff of the high nutrient dense topsoil. So they end up mineral deficient. And then if vegetables and fruits plants don't have enough minerals, then they can't produce as much as many vitamins. Which means we're not getting as many of either when we're [00:39:00] consuming them.

[00:39:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And in fact, the USDA, every 10 years, they reevaluate, how much vitamin A, vitamin E, vitamin C is in a tomato, how much, magnesium is in a cup of brown rice, that kind of thing. So, what they've had to do is every 10 years, Since they started looking at this in the early 20th century, they've had to adjust those numbers downward.

[00:39:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So our food supply is be gradually becoming more and more nutrient deficient every decade of that goes by. And so because of all of that, because we have this environment where this toxic exposure has just skyrocketed. And at the same time, our nutrients that we would normally have, I mean, Just for an example, chromium, right?

[00:39:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Chromium, the average intake was between 20 and 1, 200 micrograms of chromium. Between 200 and 1, 200 micrograms of chromium a hundred years ago. Now it's 20. So [00:40:00] you don't, you don't think maybe some people are chromium deficient. And what's so fascinating is chromium's primary role in the body is insulin sensitization.

[00:40:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So it actually helps insulin work better. So, we have now a huge portion. I think it's certainly a majority of our population that's overweight or obese. I've heard 70%, as high as 70%. So then 

[00:40:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you have the childhood epidemic. The childhood epidemic of 

[00:40:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: something like, 40, well, at least in terms of chronic disease, I think it's 45 percent of kids are now dealing with some sort of chronic disease, which of course would include that, but specifically on the overweight or obesity front.

[00:40:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Insulin resistance is often at the source of that. And it's like, well, if chromium is necessary for insulin to be able to do what it does, and we're living in a chromium deficient society, then, that certainly accounts for some percentage. That could be so easily dealt with a multivitamultimineral that's got some chromium in it.

[00:40:55] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I just want to repeat what you just said, and then pause for a little bit. 45 [00:41:00] percent of children are dealing with a chronic disease? 

[00:41:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, that's correct.

[00:41:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay.

[00:41:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I mean, just for ref for frame of reference, I think it was, Like 5 percent in the 1960s, so I mean, it's skyrocketed. But yeah, I, look, I think that were talking about nutraceuticals and people say, Oh, what are you going to get with a nutraceutical? Expensive urine. They love to make that joke.

[00:41:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And it's like, well, would you rather have cheap urine? Would you rather not be getting enough? Of these nutrients such that your body doesn't have anything to eliminate because naturally these a lot of these vitamins, especially the B vitamins, we consume them. Our body uses them.

[00:41:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It eliminates whatever it doesn't need. That's just part of the process. And so the idea that you're not going to find B vitamins in the urine is absurd. If you're not finding B vitamins in the urine, you're probably B vitamin deficient. [00:42:00] There needs to be that, that if there's a sufficient level, then it needs to be sufficient for there to be some spillover.

[00:42:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: So is there anything else that you wanted to say about nutraceuticals? 

[00:42:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: No, that was so clear and comprehensive. 

[00:42:19] Conclusion and Final Thoughts

[00:42:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi

[00:42:21] Mrs. Madi Partovi: and I am Mrs. Madi Partovi 

[00:42:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: thank you for joining us at The Partovi Effect, creating the consensus. Be well.