The Partovi Effect

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• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 2 • Episode 19

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In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Mrs. Madi Partovi and Dr. Ryan Partovi share personal experiences dealing with aging parents and health issues. 

They discuss the emotional toll and the complexities of trying to support family members as healthcare practitioners. The conversation covers various topics, including the challenges of integrating naturopathic methods with traditional medical treatments and the frustration of non-compliance by loved ones. Additionally, the Partovis address systemic issues in medical care and education, including inappropriate medication for children and the potential dangers of smart meters and blue light exposure. 

Throughout, they emphasize the importance of community, support, and the holistic approach to health.

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[00:00:00] Introduction and Personal Update

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Hello. Welcome to this episode of the part of the effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi 

[00:00:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: and I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:00:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I have been hibernating for the past four weeks.

[00:00:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: We haven't, I released a recording for that long. I'm gonna get a little vulnerable. 

[00:00:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Go for 

[00:00:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: it. 

[00:00:22] Dealing with Aging Parents

[00:00:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I've been dealing with the fact that I have aging parents and that my dad is dealing with some health issues. That's been a lot on me emotionally. And I've been a little withdrawn. I've been in my cocoon.

[00:00:40] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I've been very short with you, husband. And I got to acknowledge you that you you have been holding such great steady and like rock steady space for me,[00:01:00] 

[00:01:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: not making you wrong, for expressing anger. And expressing just the range of emotions and I'm sure that, a lot of our listeners and I've heard stories from our community, that, that have dealt with, having aging parents and it's just, it's a lot, it's a lot. So yeah, I have needed extra love and support the last four weeks and navigating the holidays, and these emotions.

[00:01:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, there's just, there's outrageous joy, right? And then there's just this sadness. So yes, I've been navigating that and I've been resisting and pretty much yelling at you saying, I don't want to record. I'm not ready. Not ready. And I'm coming out of that space because I know that this expression is not only, like, gives me [00:02:00] life, like, and gives me an opportunity to breathe life into our community and for our listeners.

[00:02:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. So that's where I've been. This man has asked me over and over, are you ready to record? Like, what is it that you need from me? How can I support you? So you've just been wonderful. Thank you. 

[00:02:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. And I just wanted to clarify a couple things for our audience.

[00:02:35] Challenges in Holistic Healthcare

[00:02:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think that the first thing to just be really straight about when you're in this sort of integrative, holistic, naturopathic medical space is you're aware of, and you have access to so. Many more tools. So many more distinctions as one of our coaches would have said than most people in this area. So when you [00:03:00] have a relative, a beloved parent or family member who is ill and dealing with health issues.

[00:03:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: You're thinking of all of the myriad, dozens of ways you'd like to support them. And then, their openness to that support is often inversely proportional to their closeness. to you genetically, I feel like. And what I mean by that is basically the closer the relative, the less willing they are to listen to what you have to say about their health.

[00:03:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And that's really, when you talk about anger and you talk about sadness, it's like, where are those emotions coming from? Well, it's not just the aging process, which is something that, we're very facile with. We deal with a lot in our patients and ourselves, right? But it's just the desire to contribute and make a difference and that being [00:04:00] thwarted, that unfulfilled or thwarted intention is actually what it is.

[00:04:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: It's a thwarted intention. Yeah. That's at the foundation of that sadness and that anger. And I think that's worth acknowledging because. That's really,

[00:04:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And this is not the truth, right? But as a healthcare practitioner, one can often feel like, well, gee, if I can't make a difference with my family, who can I help? How can I help possibly help? other people if I can't even make a difference with my own father or my own sister or my own mother or my own brother, and that's obviously, not actually how reality works.

[00:04:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: In fact the famous saying from the Bible about the prophet not being really accepted in his own hometown is very true in the medical world as well. The physician is often not listened to in his own family. And or the physician's wife, as that may be. [00:05:00] So 

[00:05:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: do you mean like naturopathic physician?

[00:05:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: No. I mean, in general, I mean, I don't think it's specific to the naturopathic world. I think what's specific in our world is we see what, he'll go to say this cardiologist or he'll go to some other specialist and, they'll prescribe this medication or, this treatment. And we'll say, well, okay, hold on.

[00:05:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: There's a few other things we could try first, or wouldn't this be actually be a better option. And, we have all these additional, tools in our tool kit that they don't have. And so we often feel frustrated by what they're, either what they're what they get recommended or what they end up doing when that's just this very cookie cutter type.

[00:05:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Approach to health and well being, right? Yeah. But I think that's where our frustration comes in. But I think all doctors, I mean, my uncle, I mean, we have five, I have five conventional medical doctors in my family, and I'm the only naturopathic doctor. So I have a lot of experience with doctors.

[00:05:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I would say that as a rule, they tend [00:06:00] to stay out of it. Yeah. Yeah. other family members health business, and even with their own immediate family members, often we'll refer them out, which I've taken to doing in some cases, because I just, otherwise, it just creates too much, uh, too much unfulfilled expectations and thwarted intentions about trying to support these people.

[00:06:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And then, which can create upset. And I think that's really, it's one of the hardest things to do because as a doctor, I care about all my patients and there are no patients I care about more than ones that are family, right? I mean, that just makes sense because they're my family members.

[00:06:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And at the same time, because there is that relationship, Family members, if they're going to be patients, have to be super compliant. They can't be like, oh, I'm going to do it, 20 percent and come let you know after three months what I, the 20 percent that I did. [00:07:00] And so that's why as a general rule, we stay back and are more of a, like a consulting role.

[00:07:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Because most people most family members don't have that level of desire to, how should you say, like, like comply with every single thing that we're recommending, or at least, 80 plus percent. It has 

[00:07:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: something

[00:07:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: to do with like the parent child dynamic. I think that's, yeah, I think that's probably pretty true 

[00:07:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: too. Yeah. Although, 

[00:07:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: There's exceptions, right? My own mother has said many times, that I've saved her life and that she said that, um, she's learned so much from me. And I think that's, so that is possible, but it's the exception, frankly, that proves the rule than, anything beyond that.

[00:07:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I think, yeah. 

[00:07:47] Holiday Season and Health Crises

[00:07:47] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, so there was something else that I was dealing with in the midst of the holiday season and it is, several people approaching us letting us, or asking us, like, [00:08:00] desperately asking if we could help their family members. And there was one of our community members, her brother in his forties diagnosed with cancer.

[00:08:10] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And it's just like, okay, all of a sudden, there's stage four cancer and it changes the, it alters the life of, that person and all the family around them, and I get a view into what's going on. And then this the mother of a. 16 year old that had like dramatic weight loss in the last couple of weeks and some really concerning symptoms.

[00:08:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, there, there are actually two or three just over the course of a week or two of the holidays. And then there was that hospital case that you consulted on like throughout the holidays. And we also 

[00:08:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: had four, four sets of guests, so, that was, it's been a busy month is what I would say.

[00:08:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah, just to 

[00:08:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: really witness the hospital messing [00:09:00] that up, at every turn, and there's a diabetic patient that they're feeding the worst kind of food. Yeah. I'm telling you, I mean, hospital food that's in nursing homes and public schools and jails. Prisons. Yeah, I was about to say prison food.

[00:09:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And the army, the military. Right. It's like the worst quality food. I mean, think about it. This is what we're feeding our armed forces, our children, our, beloved elderly, and the sickest people. Just like, it doesn't make sense to me. It just blows my mind. 

[00:09:42] Issues with Conventional Medical Systems

[00:09:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And then I I came across one of my former yoga students post today, her sister in law just died.

[00:09:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And she was so

[00:09:55] Mrs. Madi Partovi: resigned and outraged about the, the U. [00:10:00] S. conventional medical system and the disability system and the insurance system.

[00:10:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And then I was on a roll too. 

[00:10:13] Concerns About Children's Health

[00:10:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I, so I'm a part of a mom's group right now on Facebook. And there is this mom. Asking what kind of medication would be optimal for her four year old that was just diagnosed with ADHD. I mean, 

[00:10:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: definitely lots and lots of speed. 

[00:10:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. WTF. 

[00:10:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Okay. Just kidding. Four year olds can't.

[00:10:37] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. 

[00:10:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: No. Let me say that four year olds cannot have ADHD. I'm going to repeat myself one more time. A four year old cannot have ADHD.

[00:10:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I, like, have so many emotions about that, like, deeply saddened. And then I went through all the comments, right? The, like, the hundreds of [00:11:00] comments. Oh, my, my foil started. Okay what were the, so the list of drugs, right? They were taking Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse, Concerta. Can you believe that there's a mom giving her child a Coke, a Coca Cola?

[00:11:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: In that child's lunchbox every day. 

[00:11:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Helps them focus. To 

[00:11:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: mitigate. 

[00:11:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The caffeine. Helps them. I mean, 

[00:11:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Focalin Risperidol, and Asterisk. Ooh, 

[00:11:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Risperidol, yeah. Every four year old should be like. For 

[00:11:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: our 

[00:11:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: children. 

[00:11:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Antipsych. For our kids. An atypical antipsychotic, 

[00:11:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: yeah, for sure. 

[00:11:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, so it's like my.

[00:11:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm like, my dragon mama comes out, and it's just like, you guys are, these parents are being so gaslit that they're poisoning their children to fit into a structure, into an educational structure, doesn't work. So I'm [00:12:00] mad about that. 

[00:12:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. Well, I think we should all be mad about that. I mean, I think that's absurd.

[00:12:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And I think that 

[00:12:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: These are children. I mean, the youngest being four that I saw on that thread, four, five, six, seven, seven year olds. 

[00:12:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Sure. But they want to sit 

[00:12:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: neatly in desks in rows under what kind of lighting? 

[00:12:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, usually either fluorescent or LEDs. Yeah. Horrible. Horrible for concentration, horrible for ability to read, horrible for Really doing any kind of concentrated work.

[00:12:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: But yeah, 

[00:12:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: okay. 

[00:12:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: This is like this is just an and what I would just say is that while we could definitely and probably will at some point do a whole episode on light and lighting, what I would just say is a lot of the developmental disorders, a [00:13:00] lot of the learning disorders that children get diagnosed with, not all of them, but a lot of them are actually caused by the kind of lighting that gets used in our schools.

[00:13:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And just, 

[00:13:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: right, okay, so if your child has access to a device, there's all that blue light in their face. 

[00:13:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: And that lighting is not, is contributing to the problem, the backlit, the backlighting from the screen. I mean, we're able to see what we're doing right now recording, but if you looked at it, you'd be like, is this a sepia screen?

[00:13:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: No, it's just blue light filters, but it looks almost sepia, right? Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, I think that 

[00:13:43] Mrs. Madi Partovi: there's just so much right there. There is a lot from the devices. 

[00:13:49] Impact of Environmental Factors

[00:13:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And speaking of I remember when you were, or you just, you told me about when the electric company changed our meter from an analog to a smart meter, [00:14:00] right?

[00:14:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And those things. They pulse this radio frequency at 14, 000, like 14, 000 times a day, like this radiation frequency. So imagine, I mean, I have a whole different outlook when I'm walking, taking a walk down the neighborhood. Because I'm sure they did it without, people's attention.

[00:14:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Knowing our consent. 

[00:14:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, they're communicating, right? So they're communicating with the power company, presumably. And so whatever their, whatever way they're communicating is something that's wireless, so it's gotta be like it's gotta be, What, similar to like a cell phone? Is that kind of how it works?

[00:14:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:14:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Every single house. 

[00:14:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Interesting. 

[00:14:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So, okay. 

[00:14:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'm sure that was well tested before they rolled it out. 

[00:14:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm 

[00:14:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: sure they did longitudinal studies where they looked for 20 years to make sure there was no increased risk of anything as a result of that before they rolled it out into everyone's homes. [00:15:00] I'm not actually sure of that.

[00:15:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: I'd be shocked if they did, but, and I'm not saying that it's necessarily harmful. I'm just saying that we don't know. And I think that we shouldn't be doing these kinds of things if we don't know. But we have so much, 

[00:15:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: we 

[00:15:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: have so much of a history. No, I heard you, but I mean, I don't know that maybe that's harmful.

[00:15:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Maybe it's far enough away. We've talked about this before, but I made the comment. I'm like, well, it's 30 feet away from our door. Maybe the house and whatever else protects us. I don't know, but that's the point. The studies haven't been done. And in the absence of that, the precautionary principle would say, let's not do this until we've done the studies.

[00:15:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: The 

[00:15:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: covid vaccines. 

[00:15:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Well, yeah, exactly. That's another great example. It's like, well, let's not try this new mRNA technology on an entire population before we've properly tested it in small groups over the course of 20 years, and absolutely that's a great analogy. 

[00:15:58] Conclusion and Farewell

[00:15:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Well, I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi 

[00:15:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: [00:16:00] and I am Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

[00:16:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI: Thank you for joining us at The Partovi Effect, creating the consensus. Be well.