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Have you ever wondered how your family's eating habits could impact future generations? In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi reveal the surprising truth about fertility, weight loss, and the role of nutrition in shaping long-term health. This conversation is real, raw, and packed with insights that can transform your approach to wellness.


In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan, JD, NMD, MIFHI, and Mrs. Madi Partovi dig deep into the power of personalized nutrition. From understanding how modern diets impact fertility to unpacking the risks of trendy weight loss treatments like Ozempic, they provide fresh perspectives that challenge the status quo. They also discuss how family nutrition influences future generations and why it's never too late to change. If you’re looking for practical advice on taking control of your health, this episode is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways:

  • Fertility Focus: How can what you eat today impact your family's future generations?
  • The Ozempic Debate: The truth about Ozempic and how it affects more than just fat loss.
  • Family Nutrition: Why your kids' health depends on your habits and how to lead by example.
  • Breaking Generational Cycles: How your choices today can help eliminate chronic disease in future generations.
  • Toxin Awareness: The connection between environmental toxins, food choices, and your overall health.

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[00:00:00] Introduction to The Partovi Effect

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Welcome to this episode of the Partovi Effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

[00:00:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi.

[00:00:07] Understanding Our Unique Approach to Nutrition

[00:00:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: the first thing I wanted to talk about in terms of why we eat the way we eat and what makes this approach so distinct, right?

[00:00:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Cause that's what I'm going to 

[00:00:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: mention, like who it's for. 

[00:00:15] Groups Who Benefit from Our Approach

[00:00:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I mentioned two divergent groups of people for who, for whom it is intended for, um, the first group, you know, if you're struggling with your relationship with food in any way, um, the second group of people that are already on that, you know, on that pathway.

[00:00:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And just want to dial in specifically, with precision, you know, what is optimal for your DNA, okay? Also, I'm going to add a third group of people, um, people who want to optimize their fertility. Oh, my gosh. This is this is a kingpin. Hey, you start here and you're going to start at really optimizing your your hormones.

[00:00:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Um, can you [00:01:00] speak to that scientifically? 

[00:01:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Sure. I'll get right on that.

[00:01:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It's like we got we got Samantha from Bewitched here. Another zoomers to go check out. All right. Um, but no, um, You really have to. I just, you just have to go ahead. 

[00:01:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: One minute. 

[00:01:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Oh, that's fine. Yeah. You just have to ask yourself now you're putting time limits on me. Oh, no. 

[00:01:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I just want to stay with the groups of people.

[00:01:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You want to keep the flow moving. I get it. So, um, the, um, See, now you can put a time limit on me. My brain just goes wrong or another time zone. Um, I was listening to this podcast. I'm sorry. I have to listen to the Lex Friedman episode where he was talking about how he couldn't do the SAT verbal, which I actually got a perfect score on.

[00:01:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: But he couldn't do the SAT verbal because he was like freaked [00:02:00] out by the time limit and English was the second language, which I totally get that. And, you know, obviously he did perfect on the math, which I did not do perfect on the math, but I'd still pretty good score. Anyway, point is, um, You know, he freaked out the verbal because the time limit.

[00:02:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm like, dude, I get it. Time limits are, that's the worst. So I definitely, um, don't like time limits, which cause they kind of short, I get short circuited by them. Um, what were we talking about again? 

[00:02:28] The Importance of Fertility and Modern Challenges

[00:02:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Oh, fertility. That's right. The real thing is you have to ask yourself, why do we have the worst rates of fertility ever in the history of our country?

[00:02:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, why is today like the worst day in terms of sperm count, the worst day in terms of birth rates? You know, I mean, some of it's cultural, for sure, totally get that. But the answer is real simple. I can say one word, modernity, right? The stuff that we have developed over the last, say, hundred years, ever since the birth rate started to go down, and it's [00:03:00] everything from the toxins that we put on our bodies, in our bodies, on our food, you know, All of that wonderful stuff as well as, um, not actually wonderful, just so we're clear for those who don't quite get irony or sarcasm.

[00:03:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Um, again, English second language, that's a real issue, I totally get it. Um, and the other thing I would say is, You know, as people have sort of moved away from their ancestral homes and they've come to the United States and sort of adopted the American diet, whatever that is, bad for you, basically, is the easiest way to explain that.

[00:03:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You end up with people really diverging from like genetically and epigenetically the foods that are going to most nourish them. And that's really what we're trying to do here. It's not necessarily like, oh, I'm from, you know, my ancestors are from Germany or Iran or. You know, the UK or whatever. So I'm going to try to eat some weird amalgamation of those three [00:04:00] countries food, but really figure out, okay, on a genetic epigenetic basis, like what really does my body need in terms of what's going to nourish me?

[00:04:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: What's not? And, um, you know, that's obviously a much deeper conversation than I can get into in one minute, but that's, that's the, the high level broad strokes answer to your question. 

[00:04:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Thank you. That was beautiful. Okay. 

[00:04:23] Addressing Weight Loss and Ozempic Concerns

[00:04:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Uh, the next group of people, um, are the ones that have been struggling with their weight, you know, either their entire lifetime or, um, they're struggling, you're struggling with like last 10 to 20 pounds and like you just can't get it off.

[00:04:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Um, or ah, you've been on the, the o word, ready? O o 

[00:04:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: o Zempick 

[00:04:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: train! 

[00:04:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Got the last 

[00:04:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: part! 

[00:04:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: We're not doing it again. 

[00:04:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: All right, it's not a laughing matter for a [00:05:00] lot of people. You know, because you're on the ozemptic train and then you know, the way that allopathic medicine does it is that they give you the dose and then they crank it up and it has consequences.

[00:05:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, there's another conversation about microdosing it and the cases that that would be. 

[00:05:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Let's talk about the consequences first. 

[00:05:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, 

[00:05:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: please. Please do. Literally, organ shrinkage, osteoporosis, osteopenia. I mean, the weight loss doesn't just come. What happens with these patients is that the appetite gets suppressed so much that they start, their body literally has to start scavenging from every single place just to stay alive.

[00:05:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so they're losing weight not just from fat cells, right? Which is where we want to lose weight from typically, but they're also losing weight from muscle bone organs. And you know, that has catastrophic effects on the long term health. It's one of the reasons why a lot of the doctors [00:06:00] that For example, I mean, I heard Dr.

[00:06:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Peter, Peter Tia talking about this recently, and I totally agree why he's sort of backed off on like, fasting is awesome, like more people should fast more, like more fasting better, you know, the better it is, the more you fast, the better you're gonna, you're, you know, longer you're gonna live and all that stuff, because there's an impact to fasting, which is it.

[00:06:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You lose muscle mass. And it turns out that muscle mass is actually a lot more important for longevity than, uh, maybe most people realize. Um, so, you know, it turns out that maybe something like time delayed eating, which of course is pioneered by such and Panda at, um, UC San Diego. Um, that is probably going to turn out to be the best longterm approach in terms of that whole pro.

[00:06:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Autophagy kind of medical approach, and we can talk about that. I think a whole nother [00:07:00] episode. But, um, point being that, you know, with Ozempic, you're getting You know, kind of all of those problematic effects of long-term fasting, but like, even more so. 

[00:07:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Right. And, you know, you're, you really, especially if you're dealing with the, the weight issue, you really have to address the mental and emotional aspects of your food journey.

[00:07:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Sure. Because the moment, if you don't, then the moment you get off the ozempic, the weight's gonna come right back, you know, and we've seen that over and over again. So that's not. Not even controversial. 

[00:07:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. Do you see any other groups of people that this course would be optimal for? 

[00:07:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I mean, you know how I, I hate this question because it's like, um, exactly.

[00:07:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm like, there's not any person who's not, there's not a person who's not going to benefit from it. [00:08:00] The question is what you're trying to do. Okay. Well, we'll get to that, but I mean, I'm going to finish my answer. Okay. You're trying to, like, focus on who's going to get to see the most improvement, and I think that's a worthwhile conversation, but asking me as the doctor, I'm going to be like, there's not any way.

[00:08:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I would say this. This is actually how I would answer the question, which is totally different from how you're going to answer it. People are willing to be coachable. People are willing to actually take it on and actually do it. If that's you, if you're like, Hey, I'm ready, doc. Throw me in. You know, put me, put me in coach.

[00:08:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm like, great. You're an excellent candidate for this. If you're someone who's like, Oh, I want to listen to this guy. You know, I want to see what he has to say. I'm going to dabble, but then I'm just going to do the parts that I like. And then the parts that I don't like, man, whatever. Then, you know, maybe you're not ready for this and that's fine.

[00:08:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: We'll be here when you are. But my point is, you know, it's, it's like, that's my, that's from the clinician side. That's my answer. It's like anybody, as long as you're willing to be [00:09:00] coached. Thank 

[00:09:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you. That and being coachable. 

[00:09:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. I got to define what that means. Playing for me to win as your doctor, because my goal is for you to have optimum health and wellness.

[00:09:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so if I win, guess who also wins? You! So the point is, if you're playing for me to win, that's being coachable. You're also playing for yourself to win. And 

[00:09:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you 

[00:09:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: know, 

[00:09:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: it's a 

[00:09:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: win, win. 

[00:09:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I'm playing for you to experience a lifetime of aliveness and alacrity. 

[00:09:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's her. 

[00:09:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay. Cheerful 

[00:09:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: readiness. Yeah. So 

[00:09:36] The Role of Family in Nutrition

[00:09:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I, uh, another group.

[00:09:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Popped into my mind. Um, and it's the parents and especially the moms who are struggling with kids who will not eat, uh, outside of a very, very small food group. 

[00:09:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Well, for those people, I would just say, watch the movie The [00:10:00] Magic Pill. That'll give you a nice jumpstart. On that, I would say, but beyond that, I mean, I had a conversation the other week, a couple weeks ago with a, um, a woman that I met at the little gym where, where my son does gymnastics, um, you know, and I told her, I said, if you're going to do this, you kids got to do it too.

[00:10:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It's got to be your husband's got to do it too. It's got to be a family affair, you know, trying to do it by yourself. It's just not going to work, you know, and we discovered that sort of in reverse with our kids. And there was, and this is a point, I think it's a, it's like a, uh, dividing point that all parents, reach at some point, because everybody starts feeding their six month old, like the perfect optimal food.

[00:10:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: If they can afford it, they're like organic everything. If they can afford it, you know, the best possible, you know, either fresh food that they're making and grinding up, which is what we [00:11:00] recommend if you're going to do it. Actually, there's something called, uh, baby led food introduction, which is really what we recommend.

[00:11:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And it involves minimal grinding. Um, but definitely using foods that you would otherwise eat. Uh, we can talk about that another episode, but the point is that, um, it is a process. Where everybody's doing it sort of with the highest level of integrity and then they reach this point. It's usually when their kid is maybe two, three years old.

[00:11:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Where it's like you can no longer feed your child something different than what you're eating. And at that point you have a choice. Your choice is either up your game and eat healthier. Or let your kid eat crap. And most people let their kids eat crap. And it's, it's kind of disheartening. I mean it's really disheartening for us because we see the impact of it.

[00:11:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Or, or there's, you know, fatigue. Like Lunch packing fatigue for the moms that oh my god, what am I gonna feed them for breakfast and lunch and dinner today? 

[00:11:58] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, and so this and thank [00:12:00] you by the way for dealing with that literally every day. I mean the lunch part. Yes Yes. Yeah, that's It's a load off my back for sure

[00:12:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So this is this is for those families as well that have that are are ready to dial in the altar the epigenetics of their children and to, to really end human disease now within four generations of their family. Like, how mind blowing is that? Like, just think for a moment. How many people in your family are suffering with either a chronic disease, you know, or a persistent symptom or just a life where they don't want to move around or just not alive, not present?

[00:12:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: For a moment, just think about that. Like, what this would give you access to. And I'm thinking about pregnant women too. [00:13:00] My gosh, this, this would, this would absolutely alter, like, if you started eating for your DNA, like, wow, yeah, you're pregnant. It would start there. 

[00:13:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Well and not just, not just for your DNA, but actually in a way that alters the gene expression, because DNA alters less than one percent per generation.

[00:13:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: In other words, there's pretty high fidelity in what gets transmitted via DNA, but through gene expression there's about five to ten percent alteration per generation, which is why we can make these claims like after four generations of, you know, eating this way and really targeting turning certain genes the volume up, turning other genes the volume down, we feel very confident, frankly, because it's been done in animals, that we can eliminate chronic disease, literally.

[00:13:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And then for those, yes, for those, for those parents that are dealing, yes, why not in humans too? So for those families that are dealing with children with persistent, [00:14:00] um, ear infections, you know, getting sick constantly, um, this, Could absolutely support you. You know, uh, Ryan's friend is getting his tonsils removed tomorrow.

[00:14:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:14:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:14:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Well, and I think one of the challenges there is, I mean, look, one of my colleagues that is a good friend of mine had her child's tonsils removed. Um, and I think that there gets, there's, There gets to be in some people some resignation. And so what I would say is when you're talking about tonsillitis, it's sometimes it's not as simple as just diet.

[00:14:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So I don't want to, I don't want to oversimplify this because I know that like my colleague, for example, her son, they did all the diet stuff. Now, what I suspect in that case, which I haven't talked to her about this, so, you know, Ginger, if you're listening, sorry, but what I suspect in that case is that it may have been a situation of biotoxin illness that [00:15:00] was undiagnosed because they were living in Connecticut, and there's a lot of moldy buildings that have been around for 100 plus years in Connecticut, you know, and, and so, you know, And there's a kind of an under appreciation, under recognition of that, and I think an under diagnosis of it.

[00:15:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And, um, so that, that's my suspect. I think he was dealing with chronic inflammation, probably from biotoxin. And so that's a whole other piece, which we'll talk about. I'm sure we'll do a series on, on toxins. 

[00:15:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And would you say that most, most cases of tonsil removal could have been mitigated by an optimal diet, an optimal diet?

[00:15:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's a good question. Um, I'm hesitant to answer it because I don't really know. Um, I would, if I had to guess, I would say around 60 percent of them are probably avoidable if people get on the right diet and take fish oil, you know, high dose fish [00:16:00] oil, and they really, you know, corset it and sort of do the things to kind of reduce the inflammatory response, assuming that it's more of that kind of allergic.

[00:16:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: you know, inflammation, then I think, yes. Now, if it's more of an innate immune system, 

[00:16:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I suspect that the other 40 percent is going to be more environmental. Sometimes that can be environmental allergens.

[00:16:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So things like, you know, I'm allergic to the pets that are in the house. It could also be allergic to pollen from trees from grass from weeds. Um, you know, so there's those kind of allergies as well. Now, those are often worsened by diet. And you can see that, you know, if you sort of 

[00:16:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Compound 

[00:16:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: again, work on the work on the genetic and epigenetic elements of the diet, then you can absolutely reduce inflammation to the point where, you know, maybe those allergens are less of a problem or the threshold at which you have to, you know, the threshold of exposure gets higher before you have symptoms, which is, you know, means you're less affected by them.[00:17:00] 

[00:17:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So that's all. And a lot of that programming happens in the first First couple years of life and if during that very plastic stage and if we can get in there at that point and really You know, shift things around then. Yeah, we can eliminate that. But if a child already has a strong reaction to some environmental allergen, then sometimes, you know, there needs to be either.

[00:17:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: There's different ways you can approach that certain allergens. You could do desensitization. If it's a biotoxin type thing, you've got to get him out of that environment and then do binders to help eliminate the biotoxin. But yeah, I mean, I would say that by and large, whether it's a toxicant, man made toxin, or whether it's a, um, environmental, um, you know, uh, sort of biotoxin, basically, or whether it's an allergen.

[00:17:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I mean, those can also be, those would account for maybe about 40 percent of cases, and there's tremendous overlap. You know, like, if we were going to do a Venn diagram of, like, where diet affects, and then where environment [00:18:00] affects, it's like, You know, there's a huge overlap there in the middle because diet fundamentally is part of your environment, you know, what you're eating is, is literally part of what your body is getting exposed to, right?

[00:18:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Does that make sense? Yeah. So I know you didn't expect that long explanation when you brought up tonsillitis, but that's, that's what you get. 

[00:18:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, that's what you get. 

[00:18:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's what you get. 

[00:18:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: A speedy, 

[00:18:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: speedy delivery.

[00:18:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: All right. Do Zoomers 

[00:18:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: know what that show is? They 

[00:18:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: have no idea. Oh my gosh. Those poor Zoomers. Some of them might if they have, you know, parents that were, you know. tapped in, but I don't know where they would have accessed it back in. 

[00:18:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Yeah, 

[00:18:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, for those who, those who don't know.

[00:18:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Poor, 

[00:18:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: poor, poor children who missed out on Mr. [00:19:00] Rogers. 

[00:19:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Are we clear about the groups of people? 

[00:19:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I actually would recommend that all people who missed out on Mr. Rogers go and like, watch about a dozen episodes at least so that they can like, get that for their childhood. Like, Put themselves in the mind of a five year old and like, allow your inner five year old to go and like, experience that show.

[00:19:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Because, I mean, I still love watching it as an adult, so. Wow, that is 

[00:19:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: such a powerful invitation, actually. Yeah. Yeah. To do some inner child. 

[00:19:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Mm hmm. 

[00:19:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know. 

[00:19:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:19:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Healing. 

[00:19:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. Just like, imagine my childhood if this had been what I had watched. I think that's, it's something even from like if you grew up in a, you know, if you grew up in English second language or you were in another country, still valid, right?

[00:19:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Like watch some Mr. Rogers, right? Watch all of it, as far as I'm concerned, 

[00:19:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: you know. 

[00:19:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: At least a dozen episodes. 

[00:19:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Well, I'm gonna [00:20:00] invite us to take a deep breath, and close your eyes, and if there's another group of people that reveals themselves, that maybe this would be optimal for, that um, was specific, and targeted.

[00:20:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Hmm.

[00:20:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: What came up for you? 

[00:20:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm complete. I already said my, that was my one group. That's, that's, I'm good. So the specific groups, that's more your process. And I, I'm happy. I'm here for it. So. 

[00:20:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. You know, the only thing that I could see during that moment was the food that exists in public schools, prisons, and, um, nursing homes.

[00:20:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. But that's like a whole nother 

[00:20:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: All variations on a theme, those three locations, aren't they? 

[00:20:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Mm hmm. Uh, which, in the future, I They 

[00:20:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: all have gates, they all have buses, like, they all [00:21:00] have, like, you know, like I don't know, I'm just 

[00:21:05] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Which, in the future, you know, I intend to make a dent in. 

[00:21:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Sure, yeah. Well, I think that that's, um You know, I mean, I want to, you know, education is one of the three primary fo foci, focuses, or foci, of this, of this channel.

[00:21:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And we are going to be exploring that after we finish this, uh, series on why we eat the way we eat, so. 

[00:21:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. All right. So being, being clear on the groups of people, uh, what was it that you, you wanted to share? 

[00:21:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Well, yeah, I wanted to share about what makes this approach so distinct, like, like, In a way that I think people can understand.

[00:21:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Um, I like to talk about the four levels of nutrition understanding. Um, because there's a lot of people out there that are like, Oh, I'm a nutritionist, I'm a nutrition [00:22:00] expert, or Oh, I'm, you know, a doctor, or I'm a, you know, You know, your grandmother or whatever. So I kind of, um, what I'm going to do is talk about the four levels of nutrition understanding and then I'll give you some examples of each level and talk about where we factor in.

[00:22:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Go ahead. Thank you. You need to say something before I get into this. Go ahead. 

[00:22:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Uh, 

[00:22:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: another 

[00:22:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: group of people popped up. 

[00:22:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay, great. 

[00:22:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, that have gone to these nutritionists. You know, and these holistic health practitioners and, and

[00:22:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: not experienced any, any alteration or absolute breakthrough. 

[00:22:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Before you say that, though, I really want to say that a lot of these people, and I'm going to get to this, are doing great work. So this is not to diminish anybody's, you know, contribution. Yes. Um, and My goal in sharing about this is [00:23:00] to distinguish what we do from other things you may have experienced in this realm, right?

[00:23:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: But go ahead, go ahead and finish what you're saying, because I do think there's also value in what you're saying. I just, I wanted to just make sure. 

[00:23:11] Challenges in Holistic Health and Nutrition

[00:23:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I just want to say it straight, you know, for people that have, uh, gone to naturopathic schooling online and call themselves doctors, you know, it's a, uh, it's a whole different world.

[00:23:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, so just be aware of that. 

[00:23:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, we call those people undies because they're not, they're not able to actually get a license as an indy, right? 

[00:23:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, like just be straight about who you are. 

[00:23:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay, and look, I'm not saying that those unlicensable naturopaths, I have a couple of them that have been friends over the years.

[00:23:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: But the reality matters. I'm not sure that I'm not saying they're not helping people. Of course, they do help people to some degree within their, their ability. And at least I hope that they are. I mean, I think most of them probably are the ones that I know work, but I also think that [00:24:00] there's, um, there's people out there obviously that have also hurt people.

[00:24:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, and, and we see that. I mean, there's been people in the, in the media and the news where they've, you know, there's been, um, unlicensed and unlicensable naturopaths that basically, I think, bring a bad name to natural medicine because they do things like tell type 1 diabetics to stop taking their insulin, right?

[00:24:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It's like, no, you know, you can't do that. You may be able to decrease the, the amount of insulin depending on what they're eating and depending on what other, you know, treatments and medications you have them on. But. If you're an insulin dependent, uh, diabetic, you're probably insulin dependent. I mean, unless you catch it super early, and that's a whole other conversation, which we can talk about another time.

[00:24:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I actually know some, uh, people who've done that. But, yeah, I mean, um, in general, that, it just doesn't, that's, that's not sound medical advice. And so, um, and there's, there's other cases like that. I mean, which we've heard about and seen, and it's really [00:25:00] kind of tragic. And, um, so it's important that people kind of Um, to some degree, not misrepresent themselves or over represent themselves as having a level of, um, expertise that they don't have, and I think that's really what you're referring to there, and I think that that is Um, really valuable.

[00:25:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I mean, I think the work of a nutritionist, for example, in saying, you know, taking the diets that we give to our patients, and then that patient then takes that diet to the nutritionist and says, help me, you know, like, I want to be able to implement this in my life, and the nutritionist then sits with them and does meal planning with them and talks to them about, okay, well, here are some products that you can buy that are not You know, they're gonna make this easier for you.

[00:25:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And here's other ways that you can have it be easier for you and planning out the meals for the week or the month that's tremendously valuable for people. So I there's no, I would in no way diminish that. And I think it's actually a really [00:26:00] valuable, um, asset and an adjunct to everything that we're doing, because I can't always be there and everybody's kitchen to help them, you know, actually implement my advice.

[00:26:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I give that to them and I say, okay, well, you know, run with it. And I think nutritionists can, can fill a valuable role in sort of being that person who can be with them on a day to day basis, or at least a week by week basis and, and sort of help them navigate the actual practical realities of implementing a physician prescribed nutrition plan.

[00:26:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Um, that's just one example of a, of a practitioner that I think is, you know, we've sort of referenced informally, but I think is actually tremendously valuable. I think when the, the nutritionists.

[00:26:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: My favorite nutritionists are the ones that will partner with us, right? Because we have more training in clinical nutrition, using nutrition to prevent and treat [00:27:00] disease, than anyone other than maybe a PhD in nutrition. And even then I would say, You know, maybe it's, it's roughly on par and they're not actually in clinical practice.

[00:27:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: A lot of them are teaching, right? So because we're teaching and we have all this nutrition experience, it gives, or because we're practicing, we have all this nutrition experience that actually gives us a richer Thank you. Sure. background in using nutrition to prevent and treat disease, frankly, than anybody else, um, in my view.

[00:27:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so I think not, you know, trying to have a practice as a nutritionist and not having a naturopathic physician that you're using, um, to sort of refer patients back and forth with is, um, an error, but I think we'll get to that in a minute when I talk about the, the four levels of nutrition understanding.

[00:27:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Anything else you wanted to say about people who have sort of gone to someone who maybe falsely holds themselves out as a naturopathic doctor or, you know, anything else you wanted to say [00:28:00] about that?

[00:28:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And just so we're clear, anybody who finishes a six month course online and a lot of these places, I mean, there's really no accountability about it. They're not a doctor. Okay. Can't get a doctor in six months. 

[00:28:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. Well, I'm just, I'm just saying that people have who, who, who have tried, you know, the, the holistic health realm have not had any results.

[00:28:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. 

[00:28:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: That's all simply said. 

[00:28:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I agree. And I think that that's kind of, um, in some cases, It can be, um, you know, I, I, there are certain challenges that come with someone, and I would say the majority of our patients, because this is just what I, I mean, I mesh really well with these people, and I really attract a lot of these [00:29:00] people, are people who I'm like the first doctor that they've seen that was not a conventional medical doctor.

[00:29:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's like the majority for sure of our, of our new patients. I'm sort of the integrative holistic natural medicine, which I'm like, Sweet, because then I get to sort of curate your experience and, you know, also make you feel really comfortable because a lot of what we do is, you know, I mean, I would say everything we do is evidence based to some degree.

[00:29:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Now, you know, level of evidence is required is directly proportional to the potential toxicity of the treatment is the fundamental principle that we use. So if there's even a marginal bit of evidence that it might be helpful and it's say, like, Making an extra glass of water every day, then fine, we'll run with that because, you know, likelihood of harm there is exceptionally low.

[00:29:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So, that's an important principle to keep in mind with regard to natural medicine versus like, if you're telling me, Hey, I need to take this chemo, which is highly toxic and causes cancer eventually as itself. You better be [00:30:00] damn sure that there's a lot of evidence that that's going to cure my cancer before I'm going to consider putting it in my body.

[00:30:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So. You know, level of evidence required is, is different depending on the, the risk to the treatment. Um, but, um, what was, what were we talking about there? Help me out. You, you 

[00:30:21] Mrs. Madi Partovi: group of people, 

[00:30:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: you were hanging on every single syllable, weren't you, baby? No, I, he had me at. The gateway doctor. Right. So that's where I was.

[00:30:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And the other group of people, which is people who have seen, you know, three, four, five, six, seven different naturopathic physicians that are coming to me and they're looking for something different. I mean, the good news is, is that I can provide that for them. So far, knock on wood a hundred percent of the time.

[00:30:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: But I would say that because I'm on some level. Each one of us is, uh, is a little bit different. And I, that's kind of one of the fun things, but also one of the challenging things about [00:31:00] naturopathic medicine. Um, but yeah, I mean, those patients come with their own challenges because often they come with a list the mile long of different nutraceuticals that they're taking.

[00:31:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And, you know, they have a lot of expectations, which, you know, you may or may not live up to. And, you know, there's, there's a lot of creating expectations and kind of saying, okay, well, this is what it looks like with me. And so that's, uh, but on the other hand, the idea of taking, say, a dozen different, having a dozen dozen different bottles of natural things that they're taking on a daily basis is not a foreign concept to them.

[00:31:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So that part at least is easier. And you kind of get that out of the way at a time. But there's a lot of people, obviously, on the other side who are like, well, gee, I'm taking like six things. That's a lot. Isn't it doctor? And I'm like, Depends on your perspective, right? I mean, if you're, if, if the goal is like you're taking these six things so that you don't have to take these four or five drugs.

[00:31:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: then maybe it's a worthwhile trade off, and that's really what it looks like. [00:32:00] Um, anything else you want to say about that group of people? 

[00:32:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Nope, I'm complete. I'm ready for your 

[00:32:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: The four levels of nutritional understanding.

[00:32:08] Conclusion and Final Thoughts

[00:32:08] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So thank you for your generous listening. Thank you for showing up to the podcasts. Thank you for subscribing and following and leaving the ratings and reviews. Thank you for all of that. And this has been a phenomenal episode of The Partovi Effect. I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi, and I am Mrs. Madi Partovi.

[00:32:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Thank you for joining us. Be well.

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