The Partovi Effect

SHOCKING Medical Blunders Exposed: This is Criminal!

• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 1 • Episode 9

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Welcome to episode nine of The Partovi Effect, where we uncover shocking medical blunders and scandals.

In this episode, Mrs. Madi Partovi and Dr. Ryan Partovi dive into the alarming story of the COVID-19 drug Paxlovid, its questionable efficacy, and its significant adverse effects.

They also explore the mishandling of gallbladder surgeries, uncovering the overlooked long-term risks and digestive impacts.

Highlights include: -
The staggering truth about SSRIs and their impact on fertility.

The often misunderstood distinction between sedation and natural sleep.

It is critical to investigate the root causes of health issues, like environmental toxins, rather than just treating symptoms.

The Partovi's insights reveal the complexity and consequences of conventional medical practices and advocate for a more holistic, naturopathic approach. This episode contains captivating educational facts that will make you rethink mainstream medical practices.

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Shocking Medical Blunders Exposed: This is Criminal! 

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[00:00:00] Introduction to the Partovi Effect

[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Welcome to this episode of the Partovi Effect. My name is Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

[00:00:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:00:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: The short stories that I'd like to share today have to do with a paxlovid scandal a gallbladder surgery gone wrong, and oh my gosh, this couple that that is trying to get pregnant. I hate that conventional medicine is just really messing that one up.

[00:00:37] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, 

[00:00:41] let's 

[00:00:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: see. 

[00:00:42] The Paxlovid Scandal Unveiled

[00:00:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So the paxlovid scandal, these are all young people, by the way, probably in their let's see, 30s, like early 30s she's had COVID for about 30 days, okay? And they're about to, her doctor's about to give her [00:01:00] a second dose of Paxlivid.

[00:01:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And a round of antibiotics.

[00:01:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And don't do the Pax Lovid! I am not a doctor, but I'm sitting right next to one. So I'd like to ask you beloved, just a quick blurb about Pax Lovid. A follow the money honey story. 

[00:01:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I have a better idea. Let's follow the evidence. Alright, so let's go to our favorite website c19early. org, and take a look at a live meta analysis of all of the studies on Paxlivid.

[00:01:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: By the way, for those who are, I'm, you know, this is the first time they've seen us talk about c19early. org. So c19early. org is basically a site that does live meta analysis. And for those who don't know, meta analysis is like the [00:02:00] gold standard in scientific research. It's the idea of taking all the studies, pooling them together making one big study with all that data and then saying, okay now what can we see?

[00:02:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And consistently I love this little graph, right? It's like the higher the lower risk in terms of COVID and then the, this is also the treatment costs of the lowest costs. So the lowest risk per cough, the lowest risk of dying from COVID by and also the lowest cost. Ivermectin is always kind of in the top top corner here, which I enjoy, but let's look at Paxlivid particularly, because I think that is.

[00:02:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: An interesting, oop, I need to do the meta analysis one, there we go. So the first thing that happened with Paxilivit is that Pfizer denied access for the first several months to any kind of outside entity that wasn't, where they weren't funding the study in order to evaluate the medication.[00:03:00] 

[00:03:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so it took a while to be able to do independent research on Paxlivid. It also has a black box warning now. FDA notes that severe life threatening and or fatal adverse reactions due to drug interactions, because there's a ton of those with Paxlivid, have been reported in patients treated with Paxlivid.

[00:03:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's, you know, the FDA. So let's look at the data here. Okay, well, looking at all the studies, 25 percent reduction, which have mortality. That looks pretty good. Wait a second here, though. We have a negative 12 percent which is a 12 percent increase in risk of ventilation. I don't like that doesn't reduce your risk of ICU admission at all.

[00:03:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: 38 percent reduction in hospitalization. Not too bad. But, if you notice here, oh, 2 percent improvement in progression, but that result is not statistically significant. It crosses the middle line, so we really can't rely on it. Same with a 5 percent improvement in recovery, really not a very good number there.[00:04:00] 

[00:04:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And you see it crosses the midline, so again, not statistically significant result. 36 percent reduction in cases, but again, not a statistically significant result. 14 percent viral clearance. Okay, there's a lot of other agents that are a lot more effective and better at that, I would say.

[00:04:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And then here, when you just restrict to the randomized controlled trials, you see 11 percent improvement. But again, not a statistically significant result. 44 percent reduction in mortality, but again, not a statistically significant result and look at how far that bar goes over here. It shows you and for those that are just listening, basically it's sort of way over into the almost the 1.

[00:04:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: 5 plus favors the control in terms of mortality reductions. So, you know, we're not really that far. that sure that Baxlevet has saved any lives, frankly. Peer reviewed alone, which is the majority of the [00:05:00] studies, of course, here, 14 percent improvement very modest improvement. Looking at prophylaxis, 67%, but That was only one study that looked at prophylaxis, and the result is like across the entire field, so it's not anywhere near statistical significance.

[00:05:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Early treatment, 20 percent improvement in early treatment, okay, so not zero. But here's what's interesting, late treatment, which is, you know, kind of when you get to about the 10 day mark and on, Actually, we see a negative 2 percent improvement, which is like a 2 percent worsening, basically, if you take Paxlivid.

[00:05:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So, at the point where this patient is coming in and saying, I've had COVID for 30 days, Paxlivid is actually more likely to make her worse than it is any better. And I think it's important to compare Paxlivid to another drug. Oh, let's pick a random one. Oh, maybe Ivermectin. And you can see here strongly statistically significant results and strongly positive results favoring ivermectin all down the board.

[00:05:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: 47 percent reduction in mortality, [00:06:00] 35 percent reduction in ventilation, 40 percent reduction in ICU admission. 34 percent reduction in hospitalization risk, 38 percent improvement in recovery, 81 percent reduction in cases, 42 percent improvement in time reduction in time to viral clearance. And if we look at just the randomized controlled trials, 52 percent improvement.

[00:06:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Just the peer reviewed trials, 59 percent improvement. As a prophylaxis, it's 85 percent effective by itself, and that's strongly statistically significant. And in terms of the early treatment, 61 percent improvement from early treatment. Again, that compares to Paxilivit 20%, so over three times as effective as Paxilivit for early treatment, and a much more statistically significant result.

[00:06:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And then late treatment. Even at late treatment, even at the sort of, you know, more pneumonia stage where or the late disease stage, we see even 40 percent improvement there with [00:07:00] also statistically significant results. So, you know, really no comparison, I would say, and to me the data speaks for itself.

[00:07:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I don't really need to give any, you know, catchphrases or. 

[00:07:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I wanted to see you to share the margins. 

[00:07:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Oh, the margins. Okay. So for those who don't know, Pax Lovett let's see. A course with PaxLivet, I believe, costs around, say, 750. It may be a little more than that. Actually, that is also on that website, which if you go to C19Early, at least it used to be.

[00:07:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Two, two, two, two, two, two, where is Pax Livid? And they can't see this, so, but yeah, Pax Livid is right there. It doesn't actually say the exact number. So I'm going based on memory, but I want to say that it's somewhere around I want to say it's like actually maybe even 1, 300. Yeah, because you see it's here over 1, 000.

[00:07:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay. So it's 1, 300 for a course of treatment, which costs [00:08:00] them 13 to produce. So they're making a, what is that? A thousand percent profit. Yeah, that's pretty good. I wish I was making a thousand percent profit. No, I don't because I would never do that because it's criminal anyway. Yeah, 

[00:08:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I think follow the evidence is very nice.

[00:08:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, honey. Thank you. 

[00:08:24] Sure. 

[00:08:25] Mental Health and Medication Challenges

[00:08:25] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Let's talk about the next Story that I have this couple. They're actually 39 and They're both 39 and He's dealing with his mental health. And so what conventional doctors have prescribed to him are Adderall, Cymbalta, Klonopin. Those, that's a very short list, you know, of other medications that he's on.

[00:08:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: They had him on Pregnel, you know, for a long time, which caused him to experience depression. . And so the [00:09:00] couple is constantly dealing with, you know, his mental health and it sounds 

[00:09:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: like he's already dealing with his mental health Yes. Given his medications. And then the pregna just kind of made it worse.

[00:09:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And the state that he's in, you know, there's pregna 

[00:09:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: for those who don't know is the Corian. No, it's the gonadotropin releasing hormone, the synthetic version. So it's the hormone that tells our gonads to make more hormones. So that's going to be ovaries in women, testicles in men. So primarily it's going to help induce production of estrogen and progesterone in women, testosterone in men.

[00:09:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So his pituitary gland is not functioning properly. One. Yeah, it seems 

[00:09:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: likely given the medication, right? 

[00:09:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. And given every, given everything that he's dealing with even starting to, she shares with me that. You know, he's in a flare up, you know, there's not even a good chance, you know, of them really being intentional with with trying to [00:10:00] get pregnant.

[00:10:01] Okay. 

[00:10:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And time is really of the essence. So what do you have to contribute to that?

[00:10:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So you're saying that because he's often at the effect of his mental state, there's no opportunity for, you know 

[00:10:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And this revolving door of pharmaceutical drugs. 

[00:10:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Sure. Actually, interestingly enough, you know, Cymbalta and other SSRIs actually will cause DNA damage in sperm. So, even if he was You know, producing sperm, which it sounds like he's probably not producing very many given that he's on, um, the GnRH replacement the sperm would be, you know, either have low motility or they would be, a lot of them would be damaged and not produce viable, you know, embryos.

[00:10:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And yeah, that's just, I mean, being on SSRIs when you're trying to conceive is not optimal for sure. And I try to get male patients off of those. A lot of times the issue is [00:11:00] really it sounds it's actually probably a pretty typical picture. I would actually argue that the low testosterone that is coming from the lack of GnRH production is probably also underpinning his depression and anxiety and everything else.

[00:11:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so, Yeah, it's a fascinating case. I think that the question is what's going on with the pituitary? 

[00:11:22] Yeah, 

[00:11:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I think the you know, naturopathically, we would wanna really get at what's the cause of the pituitary, the hypo pittu the low pituitary function and. The first thing I think of is toxicity, you know, it's either going to be most likely, I would say, either some kind of some kind of environmental toxin, either from the human side, you know, the man derived toxins, things like what we call toxicants, that's going to be chlorinated pesticides, organophosphates heavy metals, our exposure to which, of course, is largely [00:12:00] man derived.

[00:12:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I mean, they're natural, but they're everywhere because of us. What else? Also biotoxins, you know, things like mold for people who are genetically susceptible to biotoxins, especially they can cause hypopituitarism. So things like mold, dinoflagellates that cause red tide multiple antibiotic resistant coagulase negative staphylococcus aureus or marcons Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi and their co, its co infections can absolutely cause hypopituartism as well as.

[00:12:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Those are the main ones actually. So I think of biotoxins. I think of toxicants. I think of those as being the primary. I mean, there's also possibility like head trauma, you know, that can damage the pituitary. Also, radiation can damage the pituitary for sure. If somebody gets a big dose of radiation to the head, that can be a problem.

[00:12:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, a lot of head CTs and [00:13:00] head yeah, head CTs. Anything else you can think of or 

[00:13:05] Mrs. Madi Partovi: no, thank you. Thank you for your contribution. I mean, yeah So we would 

[00:13:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: be trying to figure out what is at the source and then let's take that out and then see if the Pituitary can kind of come back and do its job again and I would say You know at least a 50 50 shot there and then if we can find what's suppressing it and then we can remove that I mean, I think there's a good chance the pituitary can come back.

[00:13:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And if not, the question is You know assuming it's not going to come back, then what is it that, what is it about the GnRH supplementation that's causing, you said, depression, 

[00:13:42] right? 

[00:13:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And can we deal with that and deal with, you know, what's Underlying the depression, and that could be anything from methylation, neurotransmitter imbalance it can be toxicity can also have a role in depression, 

[00:13:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: he hasn't been able to sleep either. 

[00:13:58] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Can be thyroid, 

[00:13:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: [00:14:00] can 

[00:14:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: be insulin resistance can drive that. You know, yeah, and insomnia, there's you know, I think something we don't talk about enough with insomnia sleep hygiene. I mean, we could do a whole episode on sleep hygiene, but I think that sleep hygiene is a crucial thing there.

[00:14:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia or CBTI is really an effective treatment for insomnia for a lot of people. Probably about, I would say at least half the people with chronic insomnia. That's really what they need is to. To go to therapy that is specialized on insomnia. And I think the other half respond really well to more of a biochemical approach.

[00:14:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I think that I don't think there's any problem with dealing with both of those things at the same time, actually, I would say, go ahead and deal with, go ahead and deal with the neuropsychiatric piece or neuropsychological piece while we're dealing with the neurobiological piece. And I often refer people to CBTI specialist while I go to work on their biochemistry.

[00:14:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Does that make sense? 

[00:14:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It does. Yeah. I feel heat [00:15:00] in my belly because I'm just so mad about this. I mean, it's seriously like a legal drug deal, you know, the pharmaceutical rep coming and here's my Instead of a panoply of drugs, you know. 

[00:15:13] Sure. 

[00:15:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You get this much for prescribing this, and we get this much. It's just terrible.

[00:15:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And people, the people deserve better. 

[00:15:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And that's one of the, I mean, the things when I was at doing undergraduate research at the Emory Center of Molecular Medicine I that's why I left that, because I was like, I don't want to become part of a system that's basically, you know, where I'm working for essentially an insurance company in order to push drugs onto patients for the pharmaceutical company, my other boss, you know?

[00:15:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And yeah, I think there's a strong case to be made there. And, you know, I think that one of the challenges with that whole approach when it comes to insomnia is that [00:16:00] people think that it's, those drugs are helping them sleep, but actually those drugs, sedative drugs, do not actually create sleep.

[00:16:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: They don't create sleep. Help the body sleep. They actually sedate the body and sedation is not the same as naturalistic sleep. A lot of the healing that happens and cleaning of the brain and repairing of tissues including brain tissues that happens during sleep does not happen if you're taking some sort of a sedative medication to induce sleep.

[00:16:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so it's a scam on multiple levels. 

[00:16:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, what's another scam this third story, 

[00:16:42] okay 

[00:16:43] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I mean, I'm wearing my dark side shirt for people that are watching on or not watching on YouTube 

[00:16:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm wearing my children's health defense, which you know, I personally feel is the light side, your mileage may vary 

[00:16:57] The Gallbladder Surgery Dilemma

[00:16:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So this is the son of one of our most [00:17:00] beloved friends who's a young adult in college who's been dealing with gallbladder pain or pain coming from his gallbladder diagnosed by conventional medicine as hyperkinetic gallbladder.

[00:17:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And You know, after he eats a meal, he experiences that pain and he's gone to the doctors who recommended that he have surgery to remove his gallbladder.

[00:17:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: What do you have to say about that? 

[00:17:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Don't do it. You know, here's what I would say. 

[00:17:41] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Hold on. Let me, without a gallbladder, his body function is going to completely alter. 

[00:17:52] Yeah. 

[00:17:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Any rich foods that he consumes, diarrhea, 

[00:17:56] you 

[00:17:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: know, which is making, gonna make his college [00:18:00] life, his dating life, Very interesting.

[00:18:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you can offset it to some degree by taking ox bile Supplementally for the rest of your life with pretty much every meal That's what we do, you know naturopathically with patients who have Our post cholecystectomy. Cholecystectomy is the procedure where they remove the gallbladder. So You know, I mean, we do have offerings and options for people who are in that situation but people are often railroaded into this kind of a procedure, you know, should I share the story about the girl that I dated?

[00:18:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. Yeah, okay. I just want to know, because I don't necessarily like to talk about, you know, You know, but I've dated before you. I mean, you're the first and only woman I've ever dated, baby. That's kind of how I 

[00:18:47] Mrs. Madi Partovi: see it. 

[00:18:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah I I went on a few dates with a girl who had specifically sought she, she sought me out specifically because I was a naturopathic doctor and that I would [00:19:00] understand her health issues.

[00:19:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I'd be empathetic toward her. Fascinating way to start the first date, you know, when you So in the first date, I get a full, you know, medical history in which she details that she's post cholcystectomy, that she was, you know, kind of railroaded into it, I think, as maybe a 20, 21 year old, before she knew anything about anything.

[00:19:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And and then ever since then, she's been dealing with with consequences from the surgery and finding that she can't eat many of her favorite foods and she has to follow a very restricted diet now. And you know, that she reacts to gluten, she reacts to dairy, she reacts to so many different so many different foods and That she's just hypersensitive to her environment and basically, you know, she's most people think that she's really kind of cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, You know, she came to me, obviously, was interested in me because [00:20:00] she felt that I would be compassionate to her, which of course I was compassionate to her and obviously that relationship didn't work out, but it's a matter of just we're not, it wasn't really a relationship, like I said, we went on a few dates, but suffice it to say You know, and we ended our amicably as friends, and that was good, but I think you know, the point is that there is a strong sense, and she kind of, you know, she had gotten really deep into the natural health world, and really done all her research, and she was taking Oxpile, and she kind of, you know, she was doing all the things that you know to do, And still found herself in this kind of fragile state, and you know, digestively at least and I think in terms of hypersensitive to her environment as well, and I think it just points to you don't really know what the consequences of a surgery are going to be, especially one that involves this.

[00:20:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. You know, rewiring your digestive tract until you've experienced it. And I think the [00:21:00] tendency is to sort of focus on the short term consequences of the surgery because that's what the surgeon has to deal with. And he says, Oh this is a common surgery. We do it all the time. Complications for it or from it are super rare.

[00:21:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And by complications, he means complications like you getting an infection as a result. like it's it that the surgery itself being unsuccessful according to their terminology of what unsuccessful means which is that they have to go in and do it again or revise it or correct something you know and if he's saying oh this is a very successful surgery it's because that he's able to do it technically correctly and achieve the result that he is trying to achieve you know in terms of the way it's supposed to look and function after the fact, which of course is not a normal function, but it's a function that is considered, you know, normal after having had your gallbladder removed.

[00:21:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I think you know, the fact of the matter is for most gallbladder conditions, there are alternatives to [00:22:00] cholecystectomy, to removal. 

[00:22:01] Addressing Hyperkinetic Gallbladder

[00:22:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And You know, even if, and some of those actually are offered by conventional medicine, if one has gallstones, you can get lithotripsy, where they actually go and break the stones up with ultrasound and that way you keep your gallbladder and it stays intact and the stones kind of are able to pass through the duct and without any issue you know, biliary colic, even without stones is a very common phenomenon where people will get sort of spasms in their in their gallbladder or even in the bile duct after eating, and especially certain foods, and they have to kind of watch, okay these foods tend to trigger it, these foods don't.

[00:22:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And in fact, that was what I was thinking, maybe this, that was my presumptive diagnosis until they did the measurement on this young man and looked at the ejection fraction of, or the speed of the ejection of his gallbladder. And found that, in fact, it was really high, you know, relative to the average.

[00:22:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And look, I think that's something which is It's an interesting example. You know, Casey and Kelly Means have been all over [00:23:00] social media. They've been on Rogan. They've been on Tucker Carlson and many other site shows talking about the way in which our food supply has become basically poisoned through the pandemic.

[00:23:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: this interesting process of collusion between our regulatory agencies and the corporations that produce food and food products. And I think that phenomenon is one that we've been talking about naturopathically for probably 70 years, and that certainly I have been talking about with my patients for probably certainly since day one of my practice.

[00:23:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So it's really interesting and kind of cool to see it. You know, now become part of the national conversation, but I think my mind, you know, naturopathic naturopathically getting at the origin of the cause of the birth of disease when someone says, Oh, I have [00:24:00] this rare diagnosis, which I had never heard of hyperkinetic gallbladder disorder because it is quite rare.

[00:24:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And, you know, okay why do you have this rare gallbladder disease? I mean, did God make you with a a hyperkinetic gallbladder? Did you evolve to have a hyperkinetic gallbladder? I mean, does that actually make sense or does it make more sense that this is a function of modernity?

[00:24:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: This is a function of, you know, something that is not either evolved or designed to function inside the world in which we find ourselves? And therefore there's some elements of that world that we need to then extract from the person's life in order to actually have their body function properly. 

[00:24:47] Mrs. Madi Partovi: How about a typical college diet?

[00:24:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. I mean, that's a great place to start. So, you know, naturopathically our question becomes, Why is the gallbladder hyperkinetic? You [00:25:00] know, there's a tendency to want to, let's fix it. Let's do a quick fix. Let's take it out. That'll fix it. But no, I mean, you know, the first step really is to get curious about why is it hyperkinetic in the first place?

[00:25:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Obviously I wasn't born with this. Obviously I wasn't destined to have this, you know, this is simply just a function of this mismatch between our You know, environmental exposures today and what our body evolved to deal with. So, you know, the things that I think about primarily, yes, are what can make a gallbladder hyperkinetic.

[00:25:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I think certainly if a gallbladder is constantly having to be overactive because it's constantly having to deal with foods that are requiring a lot of bile, fattier than it expects. probably with a lot of insulinogenic pieces as well. We often find that the foods that are going to [00:26:00] cause the body to produce the most insulin and the most bile are going to be ones that combine a lot of carbs with a lot of fat, which is like fast food basically.

[00:26:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And so there is that piece, but I think the other piece that's really interesting is about hyperkinesis in general, in the body, you know, the sort of Is thinking about it neurologically thinking about, okay, how is the nervous system tied into this? How does the nervous system involved and driving that hyperkinesis that over movement of the gallbladder?

[00:26:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And the fact of the matter is that any time you have. A nervous system that is overstimulated, it's much more likely that's going to have effects in different parts of the body, where you end up with muscles being more likely to become spasmodic, you know, and that's just whether that be, I mean, everybody's experienced the experience of being spasmodic.

[00:26:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: anxious, like [00:27:00] super anxious and then having to go run to the restroom to have a bowel movement, right? That's a pretty common human experience. Am I correct? Yeah. Okay. So, so this is basically in the same vein of that is one way to think about it. And so dealing with the stress, dealing with things, I mean, you, Hey, you're in college, like it's understandable.

[00:27:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It's a lot more stress. You're away from your parents, you're away from your family. You know, you're in a somewhat still strange environment. You're, you know, having to deal with all these professors and different personalities and stressors. And, you know, if you're, you know, dating girls, dating boys whatever the thing is that's driving your stress level, that's also going to be playing into.

[00:27:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That, so there's the, you know, there's the adrenaline, noradrenaline, also known as epinephrine or epinephrine that's likely to be part of this picture of hyperkinesis. And the problem is you, so you, okay, now you pull out the gallbladder. Okay. Now what? It's going to be like whack a [00:28:00] mole. There's going to be some other issue that comes up as a result of this neurological hyperactivation because you haven't dealt with any of the underlying issues there.

[00:28:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay. You know, it's just like we were just talking about with the gentleman with the issue with his anxiety and depression and hypogonadism, where basically you've got many different issues that can be driving that anxiety and depression. Maybe it's methylation, maybe it's, you know, You know, amino acid or neurotransmitter balance.

[00:28:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: A lot of those same things could be at play here. You know, what is it that's driving that hyperkinesis? It could be imbalances in the nervous system. And until you address with those, and again, and those are also fed by the, or diet. And so it's all interconnected. And to use, you start to really see the body as this interconnected web that is, Always, where one thing is always influenced by other things, and then you just say I'm going to take this one thing out, and I think that's [00:29:00] going to deal with my problem.

[00:29:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And it's no, that's just going to cause more problems. While the body tries to deal with and adapt for the absence of that thing that you took out that you thought was going to help you because your problem wasn't really that. It was what was driving. That was the point of manifestation. You know, I have another patient.

[00:29:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That I he's has cricopharyngeal spasm, which is like a spasm in the throat, in this particular part of the throat. And it always only happens really when he gets anxious. And then when he takes Xanax, it completely goes away. And it's And then he's often pursuing different surgeons and people who are you know, ear, nose and throat doctors are going to go in and fix it so that he no longer has this problem.

[00:29:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It's okay, so then how do you think, what do you think your body's going to do with that anxiety next after that? Like you're going to get some autoimmune condition. You're going to get some, you know, inflammatory bowel disorder, right? It'll, that, that the next mole will pop up somewhere [00:30:00] else because trying to deal with the manifestations of anxiety by playing whack a mole and removing parts of your body is not the answer.

[00:30:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You have to deal with the fundamental anxiety threshold and there are ways to deal with that biochemically and there are ways to deal with that psychologically. And you know, naturopathically, we believe in addressing all of those together. All right, I'm done. for giving me the space, by the way, to get all that out.

[00:30:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Absolutely. 

[00:30:32] Parental Concerns and Final Thoughts

[00:30:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It sounded like you were starting to speak to him directly, so I'm going to address him. I'm going to call you Jay to honor your privacy.

[00:30:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: His dad is so disempowered. 

[00:30:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, he told me today that he feels like a failure. 

[00:30:55] Mrs. Madi Partovi: He can't make a difference. 

[00:30:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. That's a common experience of dads, too. [00:31:00] 

[00:31:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:31:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, I'm sure I left my own father that way many times. 

[00:31:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Tissue. 

[00:31:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Sure. 

[00:31:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Right here. 

[00:31:09] Okay.

[00:31:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And there's nothing fathers want more, by the way than being able to make a difference in the lives of their children. I mean, my own dad has felt super thwarted by me, I'm sure, over the years. So I'm like, not the one to preach on this. I'm like, I get it, you know, you want to live your own life. And look, I mean, I always say one of my favorite sayings is, as Sebastian the Crab said, children ought to be free to live their own lives.

[00:31:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I agree with that, you know, and I it's tough, you know, it's tough. I think a lot about what I would do, or how I would feel, or how I would manage, or

[00:31:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, how I would manage in myself, my own children going out in the [00:32:00] world as adults, making their own choices for their health, you know, choosing to follow what I would want or not. And I'm not looking forward to it. That's all I'm going to say. It's you know, my hope is that and I think our hope is that our children will have learned everything that, you know, we can teach them in regard to that and they will also know to come back to us and first and say, hey, you know, what should I do?

[00:32:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: This is, these are my symptoms. This is what I'm dealing with. 

[00:32:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I feel a sense of ease about it. And about with our own Children. 

[00:32:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay. 

[00:32:36] Navigating College Stress and Health Challenges

[00:32:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So J. I can only imagine your college experience. You're away from the safety. And the security and the support of a home that you've known for all your life, you know, and you're in college and with the [00:33:00] workload and discovering yourself socially and making or creating your own community is a lot.

[00:33:08] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, it's a lot on you in the first year, and I can only imagine that your nervous system is just absolutely taxed, and then boom, you're dealing with these physical symptoms, and physical pain is it takes you out, you know, from this experience that you're trying to really create it.

[00:33:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: a whole realm for yourself in. And I really get that you're cutting it out. Seems like the real easy path for you.

[00:33:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. And there's no guarantee by the way, that would actually. 

[00:33:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Maybe that Jean Luc is awake. So I'm going to 

[00:33:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: pause here. Let me 

[00:33:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: finish, please. 

[00:33:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: How do you want to do this? 

[00:33:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Let me finish. 

[00:33:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I thought you were done. So I'm not done. Okay. 

[00:33:56] Listening to Your Body's Wisdom

[00:33:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So what, inviting you to do here [00:34:00] is to listen to the wisdom of your body and to take pause and to honor your body and your nervous system and to take deep breaths because I know you've got your surgery scheduled today so if you hear this And if you hear the frequency and the resonance of which I'm, where I'm coming from, take pause for a moment and know that you can do hard things and know that there is a pathway for you here.

[00:34:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: listening to the wisdom of your body is going to yield such a gift to you. And you have an opportunity here to alter so many things that will probably inform your life.

[00:34:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Your relationship [00:35:00] with food your relationship to listening to your body early, you know, so it doesn't get to this situation where you're like, cut it the F out, you know, and you're loved. You are so loved. I we love your dad. So, and we've, he sat in our kitchen a couple of times. And that love extends to you, too.

[00:35:33] Personal Journey with Holistic Health

[00:35:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, you know, I'm actually, instead of what I was going to say before, I'm inspired to be a little more vulnerable and actually share something from when I was 19 years old. You know, when I was 19, I felt like I was being poisoned. I felt horrible. You know, and I just I was going to see the health clinic doctor at UT where I was going to school and really [00:36:00] not seeing any improvement and couldn't really figure out what was going on.

[00:36:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I had seen the copy of eat right for your type at like Barnes and Nobles or Borders, whatever the bookstore was then. And I remember picking it up and kind of thumbing through it and being like, Eh, blood type, diet that sounds like quackery to me. You know, there's no way there could be any scientific truth to that.

[00:36:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I was, previously a biology major. So, you know, I thought I knew everything there was to know about biology by that point. So then I put the book down and I just carried on through my life. And ultimately I ended up seeing a doctor who was more on the integrative holistic side, because I kind of exhausted the opportunity for conventional medicine to help me.

[00:36:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I noticed again, eat right for your type on the The bookshelf of that holistic doctor that I was seeing. He was still an MD, [00:37:00] but he was a holistic MD, Ron Manzanero. He actually, I think, now practices in Arlington, Texas. But he he said to me, yeah, you know, last year when I got sick.

[00:37:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I read that book and not only is it scientifically sound, but also when I followed it, it helped me recover from my illness that I was dealing with and I lost 25 pounds in the process. And he said, I, you know, I really think you should give it a try. And you know, for me, it was fits and starts. It didn't come to me naturally.

[00:37:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, the first time I was like, I just don't know if I can do that. So he said at least try cutting out gluten. So I went home and resolved, okay, I'm going to try cutting out gluten. And then you know, I think it was like three weeks into avoiding gluten. I was sitting there eating some graham crackers, which of course, you know, I thought we'd learned about graham crackers in school and history class.

[00:37:56] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, the guy had started graham crackers. He was [00:38:00] milling some special flour, was Graham flour. I thought I remembered like they're not made with wheat so I can have Graham crackers. So I'm sitting there, you know, munching on them and I'm looking at the box and I'm like, oh, wheat, what the heck? And I'm like, I just, I got so disempowered.

[00:38:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I was like, I can't do this. You know, this is ridiculous. There's no way I can follow this diet. And, you know, I then I went back to the doctor and I told him what I was dealing with. And we looked at my labs and they really hadn't improved. And he's I really think you need to try.

[00:38:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Really, truly cut out gluten and or just do the blood type diet. I think it would be even better. But so then I went and got a copy of Dr. D'Adamo's second book, which had just been published. So this is kind of dating myself here, but it was like December of 1999, I want to say. And sat down and I I was at Central Market in in [00:39:00] Austin.

[00:39:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I say I have my last ignorant meal because from then on I read, started reading the book and the nice thing about Live for Your Type, which is Dr. D'Adamo's second book, which is really, it's really written for the medical science types, you know, it's really That's the hard nosed book, I would say.

[00:39:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I think it appealed to me in a way I could never really get into Eat Right for Your Type. I've since re read, you know, especially the new edition. I really like the new 20th, 20th anniversary edition of Eat Right for Your Type. Fantastic. But the original one was You know, written to the eighth grade reading level, not, you know, not my kind of book, but which is so ironic, right?

[00:39:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Because I based my entire medical practice on the man's work. But yeah, I mean, I read Live Life for Your Type I went home, I put, I read the ingredients of every single thing that I had in my pantry, anything that contained in a void, I put it in a box and gave it to a friend. You know, and that was it.

[00:39:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: [00:40:00] And then, frankly have there been many times, I mean, that I've not followed it? Absolutely. I mean, even though, yes, at the time when I started it, I lost 50 pounds, I felt like a human being again, I got vitality, I got aliveness, as you would love to say, alacrity, you know, and and that was what I was able to recover around age 20, which was really exciting.

[00:40:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And I think You know, that's lasted me very well. And yeah, there was a period of about six months when I was trying to graduate school and I was doing 10 shifts at once. And in addition to taking classes, which, you know, those who've done naturopathic medical school will be like, that's wild. 10 shifts at once.

[00:40:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Or is he crazy? Yeah, I was really committed to graduating when I graduated. And so I was, you know, open in the clinic every morning and closing it every night, 13 hours a day, you know, Five, six days a week and I was eating the seafood diet at that point, you know, like if I saw food, I ate it [00:41:00] and yeah, did I gain like almost 50 pounds back during that time period?

[00:41:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Of course I did, you know, but then when I got in residency, I was like, all right, time to shape up. You know, I can't keep doing this. So because I knew what my body needed by that time and it was a journey for sure. 

[00:41:16] The Reality of Chronic Disease

[00:41:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And it's okay to have compassion with yourself and to allow yourself to go through that journey and not expect that You know, and this kind of segues back to what I was going to say earlier, not expect that, that things are just going to automatically work, even though, you know, regardless of what you expose your body to, and I think that is sort of the false thing that our society teaches us, which is that, oh, you know, everybody's just You know, most people are just fine no matter what they eat.

[00:41:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: No they're not. Most people have chronic disease. I mean, I think it's, what, like 70 percent of people now have chronic disease? 46 percent of children, minors, now have chronic disease? I mean, it's an [00:42:00] absurdly No, 70 percent have pre diabetes, diabetes That's what that, that number is. That's right.

[00:42:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: They're overweight or obese. And, I mean, chronic disease, I feel like it's like every adult has some kind of chronic disease at this point. I don't know what the statistics are, but it definitely seems that way. I have never done lab work on anybody and not found something to treat. I'll put it that way.

[00:42:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: So, yeah, I mean, this has just become a fixture of our society at the same time. You know, we have this social media where people are, you know, so healthy, they get on there. And most of that's just a big cover up. And we've seen that many times where people that have these social media presences that are just like, Oh, health and wellness.

[00:42:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And everything is light and love. And then they come to us and it's I got this problem and this problem, and I'm on this drug and this drug and this drug. And we're like, okay that's fine. Okay. So the thing about it is. Not to get resigned by that, but to just recognize [00:43:00] that by getting into the mill of Drugs and surgeries is only going to lead to more issues later on down the line 

[00:43:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I wanted to interject right there because I don't want anybody to be left feeling made wrong You know, 

[00:43:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Absolutely not.

[00:43:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I could tell you about, 

[00:43:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I could tell you about medical procedures that I've undergone that I regret, you know, 

[00:43:25] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm talking about your example about people, how they portray themselves on social media. 

[00:43:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. It's 

[00:43:32] Mrs. Madi Partovi: kind of like we're outing them. No, I 

[00:43:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: didn't say anybody's name or identifying information.

[00:43:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You 

[00:43:37] Mrs. Madi Partovi: know, I'm just saying that There is a chasm, you know, that there is an inauthenticity to social media. 

[00:43:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: That's what I was pointing to. 

[00:43:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And what you're saying is that there, there's usually like an underbelly, like some, everybody's dealing with something, you know, and we get the honor and the privilege of seeing a lot of that.

[00:43:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:43:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah. And we [00:44:00] have compassion for it too, because, I mean, I've obviously not in perfect health. And you know, although my wife, that's a joke. I can't say, I can't say anything negative about this woman on camera, but she's welcome to share her own story. 

[00:44:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm going to. So my results have been finalized, right?

[00:44:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: My labs are final, my cancer panel and all of that. 

[00:44:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Right. 

[00:44:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. I'd be happy to share it. Not on this episode. But on another one, yeah, I'll be completely open and honest about, you know, what I'm dealing with and how I'm managing it.

[00:44:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Exciting. 

[00:44:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. Okay. 

[00:44:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And we can also circle back and I can talk about those medical procedures I regret if anybody's interested in that. Maybe not regret, but certainly if I could go back, I would do them differently. You know, you know, one of the things I noticed, and this gets into the same conversation we're in, but it's like the kind of things that one will.

[00:44:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Let be done to one's body [00:45:00] in the face of fear, or a desire to quickly resolve a problem, look for a quick fix, and get it taken care of. Even though that goes against sort of one's own inner wisdom, you know. I've experienced that personally, so. 

[00:45:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yep, so we're gonna get this message out to you. It's gonna be a Hail Mary, and we're good at Hail Marys.

[00:45:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I'm creating that you listen to it right before your surgery and you just take pause and say, okay Let me take a moment to think about this or be with this. 

[00:45:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, there's no rush I mean, you could always get your gallbladder cut out next week next month next year and in the meantime And I think that's reasonable by the way, you know, I think it's reasonable to say I'm gonna go to work on this Let's say a year, right?

[00:45:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I'm gonna really take on, you know, a truly natural approach to eating and really clean up my diet and do all the [00:46:00] things that, you know, Dr. Wright and Madi recommend for a year, and then if it doesn't get better, or if it doesn't, you know, get what will happen, actually, is that you'll be, you'll realize that it's under your control.

[00:46:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You get to choose whether you're having the pain or not, because, You'll start to see how, oh, the pain is worse when I do this, and it goes away when I do that, and it comes back when I do this, and then it goes away when I do that, right? And so you realize that, oh, wait, I actually get to say when I have this pain.

[00:46:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And then it's okay, you get to choose it. You get to choose how you want to live the rest of your life, in pain or not. But guess what? If you address the issues that are underlying the pain, then, and you actually address them, you know, from the ground up, then you're setting yourself up for a [00:47:00] long, healthy life with minimal chronic disease or health issues.

[00:47:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: You know, and that's really what we're talking about. It's not just about this issue. This is simply a manifestation. Of whatever is not working right now in your body as a function of your diet and lifestyle. 

[00:47:20] Beautiful.

[00:47:23] Empowering Patients in Their Health Journey

[00:47:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, I was overhearing your meeting with Kim Dash, our nurse practitioner today. You two spent two hours discussing a patient case. And 

[00:47:41] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: that was yesterday. But yeah. 

[00:47:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh, are you sure? 

[00:47:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: It was yesterday because we had our wellness plan call this morning in which I spent two and a half hours with our wellness plan.

[00:47:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yes. Okay. 

[00:47:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. 

[00:47:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Dealing with their questions. I 

[00:47:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: just want to remind everybody that have I have the glitch in the [00:48:00] matrix daily disruption card in this fair play deck. You'll learn about this the next episode. You spent two hours talking about this gentleman and consulting with each other and really just piecing together all the all the pieces of the master puzzle. And it was so extraordinary and so beautiful. What happens behind the curtain. That these people don't see. And then Kim went back to him.

[00:48:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Can I have another tissue, please? Kim came back to him and this is even before the initial lab review. Okay. 

[00:48:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Okay, 

[00:48:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And invited him. Okay, you're going to stop this. You're going to start this. You're going to and then you know what he came back with and I read the email. It was just so beautiful. Like he is starting to become an advocate.

[00:48:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: His own health and [00:49:00] wellness and own it. So he came up with this whole list of things and wanted to consult with us, whether he could have them or not. , 

[00:49:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: you know, . That's great. 

[00:49:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. It's, I 

[00:49:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: love it. 

[00:49:12] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I really just, I wanna pull the list up because it is just so, so just, it moves me, you know? Yeah. It 

[00:49:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: you get moved by it.

[00:49:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. I love your precision of language.

[00:49:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: but here. Okay, she copies me in on it. Right here.

[00:49:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, he's butter. Can I have butter? Can I have ghee? Flour? Almond milk? Coconut milk? Plant based milk? Corn? Amaranth cereal? It's just so beautiful. And this is a gentleman that has really up been confronted. You know, his wife has signed up on the wellness plan. He was [00:50:00] resisting it for so long. And ah, so to see him.

[00:50:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Become so involved in taking a look at his health in such a powerful way. Yeah, moves me. 

[00:50:14] I 

[00:50:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: love you and Kim for what you do. 

[00:50:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, we have a lot of fun. And we get to love on people, which is, you know. 

[00:50:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So y'all are being loved on behind the scenes, okay? 

[00:50:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: The world needs more of that, I would say. Yeah. 

[00:50:39] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay.

[00:50:40] Heartwarming Parenting Moments

[00:50:40] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I want to end this episode by shifting what I'm internally resonating 

[00:50:45] from 

[00:50:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: all these stories. 

[00:50:47] Yeah. 

[00:50:48] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I'm going to share with you a story about our son, Jean Luc. 

[00:50:51] Okay. 

[00:50:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: He brought me a nature book the other day. He was saying, Mama, I want to read this. He's two. [00:51:00] And I started to read it. And he saw the pictures of the flowers and the grass and the trees.

[00:51:09] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And he said, Mama, I want to hold that. And then he said, We don't smash that, Mama. We smash trash. See, love said, Turn the dial on the trash compactor and smash trash. 

[00:51:27] Correct. Yeah. 

[00:51:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: He said, I want to hold that, Mama. And then I said, Yeah, we don't smash that. We smash trash. And then he said in his little voice, Beauty.

[00:51:41] And 

[00:51:43] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I was just so moved. I was moved by that. 

[00:51:46] Sure. 

[00:51:48] Mrs. Madi Partovi: This child,

[00:51:53] Mrs. Madi Partovi: and he was just so fascinated with, You know, the pictures of the earth and the rocks and the, [00:52:00] he's really engaged 

[00:52:02] in the book

[00:52:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: and you know, in the mornings he heads straight to the pantry, you know, for the, what he calls snack pouches, organic vegetable and fruit pouches. And he loves, and I, we were in a standoff, what's it called, like when the old cowboys used to, what's that thing called, like a standoff, a showdown. 

[00:52:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I, he had, he, our eyes were locked, okay, because he was like, he knows.

[00:52:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I just looked at him and I said, son, you're a typo baby. Let's start with protein. And start with your egg and your breakfast meat. And then you can have, you know, the snack pouch. And he continued, his eyes were still locked holding the snack pouch. And I said, have you, you know, You thought, if you [00:53:00] do this, you're gonna grow big and tall and strong, like daddy.

[00:53:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And he just kept glaring, he looked, kept looking at me, his eyes just locked. But mama, I want to stay small. But I had this big grin on my face, I broke. But he said five seconds later, Mama small.

[00:53:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Two year olds. Cheeky. Oh, my goodness. He was coachable. You know, he ate his egg and his breakfast mate. And then he had the pouch. 

[00:53:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Hilarious. 

[00:53:44] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, I love being a mom. I love parenting. The boys just woke up and 

[00:53:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: they 

[00:53:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: both came in here.

[00:53:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And they really just needed [00:54:00] to touch in. They didn't really need anything. 

[00:54:02] Mrs. Madi Partovi: All right. Yeah. They 

[00:54:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: just, they just missed us. 

[00:54:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: We're a co sleeping family. Just going to out us right now. 

[00:54:10] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Oh yeah. 

[00:54:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:54:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Which is controversial and may alienate a lot of people, but I would just say that there's a lot to it and I'm sure we'll do a whole nother episode on that.

[00:54:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I almost feel like it's you know, don't don't make a final judgment on it one way or the other until you've heard us talk about it extensively. 

[00:54:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, and until we've had the the guests on that then we'll speak to it. 

[00:54:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Correct. 

[00:54:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And it's just, it's something that works for us. 

[00:54:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, we're not necessarily saying that everybody has to do it.

[00:54:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: I know there's people who've tried it and absolutely didn't work for them. But I also think there's ways to go about it that will make it more successful, more likely to be successful in ways that are not, you know, as likely to be successful. And we'll get it, we'll get into that when we have our new episode on it, because I really think that we may need to do more than one, but I think a [00:55:00] series.

[00:55:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Yeah, we could do a series on that. I totally. Totally on, you know, co sleeping and the different ways to do it. And there's, you know, there's not one right way. And absolutely. And I think there's not even one way for each child. I think each child needs different things at different developmental stages.

[00:55:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: And, you know, I mean, we can, we'll get into all that. Yeah. I don't want to go, I don't want to go there yet because it's, I know that if I start, we'll be here for another hour. 

[00:55:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: All right. 

[00:55:30] Final Thoughts and Community Engagement

[00:55:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Is there anything, are there any final thoughts and ideas that you have? Anything that you would like to say to our community?

[00:55:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh our, speaking of our community the next episode I would love to read a lot of your comments. They're so beautiful and so supportive and there's much to be acknowledged there.

[00:55:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Just, you know, thank you for being here, being engaged, being involved, and listening to the end. If you've if you're here with us we appreciate it, and [00:56:00] look forward to doing it again soon. 

[00:56:05] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Be well. I am Mrs. Madi 

[00:56:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD,NMD,MIFHI: Partovi. And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:56:10] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And we are Aspen Wellness Institute, and this is the Partovi Effect.